Joe Frazier ducked who?

[sonnyboyx2]

Ron Lyle had been beaten and exposed by Jerry Quarry, there was no demand for Joe Frazier to fight Ron Lyle in fact Lyle was thought of as a journeyman and not worthy of a title fight against Muhammad Ali... he was a 6/1 dog against Ali... Ron Lyle`s claim to fame happened the following year when he fought George Foreman who knocked him out.. if Lyle had fought Frazier who fought Ali in manilla then he would not have lasted 5rds

[r.burgundy]

Ron Lyle had been beaten and exposed by Jerry Quarry, there was no demand for Joe Frazier to fight Ron Lyle in fact Lyle was thought of as a journeyman and not worthy of a title fight against Muhammad Ali... he was a 6/1 dog against Ali... Ron Lyle`s claim to fame happened the following year when he fought George Foreman who knocked him out.. if Lyle had fought Frazier who fought Ali in manilla then he would not have lasted 5rds

fights arent won on paper

[sonnyboyx2]

fights arent won on paper

explain what you mean?

[r.burgundy]

explain what you mean?

it means that just because your supposed to win,doesnt mean your going to win.wasnt foreman an underdog against frazier?yall keep saying thier was no demand,but what was the demand for jimmy ellis?id have rather seen jimmy young in there than ellis

[prinzemanspopa]

We're talking arguably the greatest heavyweight ever. What exactly could Lyle have brought to the table to make Frazier a better fighter against Ali?

A stern test? A competitive fight? Most certainly a greater challenge than what a faded Jimmy Ellis could have provided.

And again I ask you, why not the same disdain for so many other fighters who took the same route? You claim a "duck", but a "duck" should only be applied when a fight is unavoidable. Bottom line is Joe fought better fighters. Would it have been nice to see him fight Lyle? Of course. But that does not imply a "duck". If it does you should be ridiculing many fighters through out history, but you don't. You "cherry pick" Frazier band a few others.

Well I'm not going to know every little detail on every other fighter who took the same "route" that frazier did,am I?


Lyle is mentioned because unlike Martin,Mac foster,Lison,Shavers,he was consistently ranked in the top ten while frazier was still active.frazier avoided every crossing paths with the other fighters but he could hide with a reason to do so.

Besides Ali, what other fighter besides Frazier fought more fights against all time top 10 opposition?

Ken Norton had the same amount of fights against ATG top ten heavyweights too.Jerry Quarry would have had the same amount had foreman actually had it in him to fight.

I disagree. Not only that, but you have to consider the better wins, no?

Besides Ali who beat more top fighters? I know you don't think Quarry has a better resume of quality wins than Frazier, do you?

Well,seeing as you wish to give credit to frazier for fighting ATG top ten heavyweights,win or lose,why not give the credit to Quarry for who he fought,win or lose?


frazier has the better wins,but Quarry challenged himself alot more as an elite heavyweight.

[JAB5239]

lmao who in the hell needs to avoid 1 of your posts

i actually do log off

Obviously you felt the need to until I embarrassed you into answering.

so let me get this strait,the only way you can duck somebody is if they are a mandatory?lmao.i didnt think that foolishness needed a response.why dont you make a poll asking who agrees with that

explain to me how one fighter can "duck" another if fighter B has never established a position to force the fight, or there is no public call for the fight?

havent you said floyd ducked cotto,rito and others???

Yup, because of a huge public outcry for these fights as well as Margs and Cotto also being champions in the same division. I've also stated Floyd would have beaten both.

what poll on harry greb?i said make a poll on gene tunney,put it in nsb and see how many think tunney is a quality fighter.your reply was"they dont know about boxing history in nsb",as if you have to know about history to recognize a good fighter.

Well just look at yourself to justify my point here. You don't know history and can't recognize a good fighter, why would most of them be any different. Hell, you avoided all my points on film speed, B&W film etc., same as many of them have in other debates, despite that fact that everything I said was accurate.

so lets look at your ******ity in this thread.
you compared jimmy ellis 12rnd slip that was ruled a knockdown to ron lyles vs foreman.

Lets look at your lies. Where did I make a comparison outside of saying it was a knock down? There is lie #1.

you said a knockdown is a knockdown regardless of circumstance

Here is lie #2.

you said that ron lyle didnt have power

Here is lie #3.

a fighter can only duck another if its a mandatory

Here is lie #4. I never said "only".

your asking why were not commenting on foreman not fighting shavers or quarry despite this thread being about joe frazier

Its called relevance to topic.

if you want this roasting to continue,all you have to do is keep replying,as all yoiur posts have plenty ammo

Lmao!!!! yes lt the lying, er, roasting continue. I'll continue to go by facts. You continue to lie and avoid questions.

[r.burgundy]

Lmao!!!! yes lt the lying, er, roasting continue. I'll continue to go by facts. You continue to lie and avoid questions.

im not sure how to quote your posts so i'll just finish you with 1 quote since you say ive been lying.

A knockdown is a knockdown. You've totally missed the point though.

[JAB5239]

im not sure how to quote your posts so i'll just finish you with 1 quote since you say ive been lying.

You did lie when you claimed that I said a knockdown is a knockdown regardless of circumstance. Just like you lied about the other things I pointed out.

[JAB5239]

A stern test? A competitive fight? Most certainly a greater challenge than what a faded Jimmy Ellis could have provided.

Stylistically it does nothing for him. You know it and I know it.

Well I'm not going to know every little detail on every other fighter who took the same "route" that frazier did,am I?

So you've either turned a blind eye or you're choosing to remain ignorant. Either way it does nothing for your credibility on the topic and you still come off as having an agenda against Frazier.

Lyle is mentioned because unlike Martin,Mac foster,Lison,Shavers,he was consistently ranked in the top ten while frazier was still active.frazier avoided every crossing paths with the other fighters but he could hide with a reason to do so.

It would have been great if this fight had happened, but putting all the blame on Joe for it not happening is ridiculous. The fact is, Lyle blew his shot at being able to force this fight. Had he beat Quarry and Frazier still didn't fight him I would be agreeing with you. Didn't work out that way though.

Ken Norton had the same amount of fights against ATG top ten heavyweights too.Jerry Quarry would have had the same amount had foreman actually had it in him to fight.


Good call. I give credit where it is due.

Well,seeing as you wish to give credit to frazier for fighting ATG top ten heavyweights,win or lose,why not give the credit to Quarry for who he fought,win or lose?

I give Quarry immense credit. In my opinion he is oneb of the 5 or 10 greatest fighters never to win a title.

frazier has the better wins,but Quarry challenged himself alot more as an elite heavyweight.

I don't think so. Frazier just made it look easier.

[StarshipTrooper]

im not sure how to quote your posts so i'll just finish you with 1 quote since you say ive been lying.

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