Joe Frazier ducked who?

[StarshipTrooper]

He will duck and dodge any simple question. He will not back anything up, but instead will take the time to post responses that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You're pitiful. At least defend your position.

He's what my Grandmother would call a bull**** artist :bull****: You're right: He'll NEVER defend his postition because he's incapable of doing anything other than slagging off (and maybe jerking0ff :jerk0ff: )

Poet

[prinzemanspopa]

You are aware that you have continually avoided the timeline I've presented over and over, which puts any question of Frazier "ducking" to rest, right? You are aware that you have stated Frazier did not avoid Young during your specific time frame, but did avoid Lyle even though he lost to Quarry and Young, right? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

All your timeline shows is just how lazy frazier was.He had more than enough time to fight Lyle.

Ron Lyle was a top ten contender for four years while Smokey Joke was still relevant.Young wasn't relevant to the ratings until upsetting Lyle.Young was a journeyman who even after the Lyle win had no hype behind him.


Involving Jimmy Young in this debate is pointless,just like holding Ron Lyle's loss against him to a guy who actually had the balls to fight is also pointless.

[IMG]http://johnnylegendlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/super-******.jpg[/IMG]

Do you not realize just how strong the resemblance is between you and the person in that picture.



Stick to walking the dogs in future...Oh,my mistake,you can't even do that,can you?

[JAB5239]

just cause you outline a ****** timeline doesnt make it right lol.ali fought lyle in 75 so you mean to tell me smokin couldnt have fought lyle over jimmy ellis?are you saying lyle wasnt a puncher???

A time line lets you see the dates of each fighters wins and losses, it lets you understand why fights could ave or didn't happen. If you can't figure that out Im sorry for you, but they are facts.

Why would Frazier fight Lyle when he was trying to get Ali back in the ring? Ellis' stlye suited an Ali fight where as Lyle's didn't.

it proves that lyle was a big puncher and could take a big punch,which mena s it wouldve been a great fight with frazier.he couldve fought shavers or lyle instead of a quarry fight

Why would he fight Lyle instead of the better fighter in Quarry? Had he done that your argument would have just changed to "he fought an undeserving Lyle and ducked Quarry".

and if youve actually seen young/foreman you would know that was definitely more a slip bein as how george was trying to chase him down,he barely hit the canvas and was running after young before the ref could even get there

A knockdown is a knockdown. You've totally missed the point though.

[JAB5239]

JAB is really clutching at straws here.

I can't believe he is trying to demean and downgrade Ron Lyle's Fierce Punching Power. Pathetic really.

Pathetic is running off because you can't answer questions and than cheer leading for others. I never demeaned Lyle's power, but I do think its overrated. If you would like to debate me on that, feel free.

[McGrain]

I don't think Lyle ever knocked out a ranked contender, at any time. There seems to be some dispute about Shaver, but I don't think he was.

[r.burgundy]

Pathetic is running off because you can't answer questions and than cheer leading for others. I never demeaned Lyle's power, but I do think its overrated. If you would like to debate me on that, feel free.

A time line lets you see the dates of each fighters wins and losses, it lets you understand why fights could ave or didn't happen. If you can't figure that out Im sorry for you, but they are facts.

Why would Frazier fight Lyle when he was trying to get Ali back in the ring? Ellis' stlye suited an Ali fight where as Lyle's didn't.

A knockdown is a knockdown. You've totally missed the point though.

thats hillarious comming from you.your the only member in poets fan club.

thanks for finally admitting the obvious.he ducked lyle

[JAB5239]

A time line lets you see the dates of each fighters wins and losses, it lets you understand why fights could ave or didn't happen. If you can't figure that out Im sorry for you, but they are facts.

Why would Frazier fight Lyle when he was trying to get Ali back in the ring? Ellis' stlye suited an Ali fight where as Lyle's didn't.




thats hillarious comming from you.your the only member in poets fan club.

thanks for finally admitting the obvious.he ducked lyle

Thank again for providing no proof and avoiding the obvious. Was Lyle ever in a position to force a fight? No. Did he get beat by better fighters that Frazier beat and would go on to fight? Yes. What now?

[r.burgundy]

Thank again for providing no proof and avoiding the obvious. Was Lyle ever in a position to force a fight? No. Did he get beat by better fighters that Frazier beat and would go on to fight? Yes. What now?

wat did lyle do to force fights with ali and foreman?in the era were everybody supposedly fought everybody why should a top fighter have to force a fight?jimmy ellis was more deserving than lyle or shavers??gimme a break

[prinzemanspopa]

I think we'll stick to this thread rather than continue to bump what is now an old replica of this thread.

So why are we only talking about Frazier? You want to leave out the fact that his style was never conducive to a long career but put him down for it. Why not pick one of so many others in history who have done the same thing? You want a Lyle fight but simply dismiss that he fought better fighters, that shows you have a biased agenda. Win or lose, what other fighter in history fought more fights against top 10 all time op?
You will avoid this question like the plague.

frazier's style not being "conducive to a long career" has nothing to do with him fighting just twice a year for virtually his entire career as a top heavyweight.He'd take long breaks no matter how long or gruelling a fight was.


Are Joe bugner and a faded Jimmy Ellis really better than Ron Lyle?

It's easy to argue that Ali and foreman were better than Lyle,but that doesn't change the fact that Lyle was consistently ranked within the top ten and was a dangerous contender who was deemed qualified enough to fight Quarry,Ali and foreman.


I don't understand your last question.Who are you talking about,what top ten and what does "op" mean?

Lol, who was the second best of his era? You've stated numerous times Foreman was a nobody and Fraziers resume trumps any other. I await you answer to get another good laugh.

I never said foreman was a "nobody".I have criticized foreman for having a padded record and doing as much cherry picking as frazier did.It still doesn't change the fact that foreman is a greater heavyweight than frazier is.

Jerry Quarry has a better resume than frazier has.I suppose you don't rate him above frazier,do you?

In other words you're comfortable ducking ANY argument that shows just how bias you are. :

Ducking what? Did I not acknowledge foreman's cherry picking and avoiding of others? I've criticized him as much as I have frazier.

[JAB5239]

wat did lyle do to force fights with ali and foreman?in the era were everybody supposedly fought everybody why should a top fighter have to force a fight?jimmy ellis was more deserving than lyle or shavers??gimme a break

Thje point is if you aren't a mandatory and can't force a fight, you can't be ducked. There was no obligation on Fraziers part to make a fight with Lyle when he could fight better fighters. The ONLY fighter from that era that I know of who fought everyone is Ali. why are you not making a stink about Foreman not fighting Quarry or Shavers? Thats right, because it destroys your agenda and proves what Im saying is correct.