Aaron Pryor Or Mike Tyson?

[cotto16]

Pryor. He actually won fights when his opponent fought back. Who on Tyson's resume comes close to Arguello and Cervantes (and a 38 yr-old Holmes does not count)?

How about a 31-0 Michael Spinks?

[Pogue69]

How about a 31-0 Michael Spinks?

Spinks, while an ATG at Light Heavyweight was a very beatable heavyweight. He beat an aged Holmes twice, Steffan Tangsted and an inactive Cooney.

How much credit does Sonny Liston get for steamrolling Patterson twice?

[cotto16]

Spinks, while an ATG at Light Heavyweight was a very beatable heavyweight. He beat an aged Holmes twice, Steffan Tangsted and an inactive Cooney.

How much credit does Sonny Liston get for steamrolling Patterson twice?

But yet Arguello and Cervantes were in there prime? Spinks was more in his prime that both.....So I can just the same with Pryor's wins over Argeullo and Cervantes.

[Pogue69]

But yet Arguello and Cervantes were in there prime? Spinks was more in his prime that both.....So I can just the same with Pryor's wins over Argeullo and Cervantes.

Did I mention that they were in their prime? However Cervantes was making his 19th! title defense (spaced out over two reigns) and Arguello was moving up after 4 defences at LW. Even though they were not at their peak, I believe Arguello was favoured for their first fight.

Spinks was a great fighter. No argument. He was not, however, a particulary dangerous heavyweight. Do Joe Frazier and Ali get much credit for their wins over Bob Foster? The size/strength difference was just too much.

Getting back to the original point of the thread. When did Tyson beat an opponent that fought back?

[prinzemanspopa]

Show us how it isn't close. Where would you put each on an all time list?

Mike Tyson


Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Razor Ruddock 2x
Frank Bruno 2x
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Tyrell Biggs
Tony Tubbs
Trevor Berbick
Bonerusher Smith
Carl Williams
Alex Stewart


Aaron Pryor

Alexis Arguello 2x
Antonio Cervantes
Dujan Johnson

Spinks, while an ATG at Light Heavyweight was a very beatable heavyweight. He beat an aged Holmes twice, Steffan Tangsted and an inactive Cooney.

How much credit does Sonny Liston get for steamrolling Patterson twice?

Spinks moved up a weight class and beat "the man".Alexis Arguello couldn't do the same.

[Pogue69]

Mike Tyson


Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Razor Ruddock 2x
Frank Bruno 2x
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Tyrell Biggs
Tony Tubbs
Trevor Berbick
Bonerusher Smith
Carl Williams
Alex Stewart


Aaron Pryor

Alexis Arguello 2x
Antonio Cervantes
Dujan Johnson








Spinks moved up a weight class and beat "the man".Alexis Arguello couldn't do the same.

Fair enough, but I believe "the man" that Spinks beat was an aging fighter who was ripe for the picking (watch the Carl Williams fight if you don't believe me). Arguello ran into a prime ATG buzzsaw. I was a Tyson fan, I just think Pryor was better. One thing that works against Pryor was his inabaility to the land the Superfight against Leonard or Hearns.

[JMaster]

Tyson and it's pretty clear, IMO.

His resume is far more superior, he unified the heavyweight titles and is regarded as one of the hardest punchers in the history of his division.

[JAB5239]

Mike Tyson


Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Razor Ruddock 2x
Frank Bruno 2x
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Tyrell Biggs
Tony Tubbs
Trevor Berbick
Bonerusher Smith
Carl Williams
Alex Stewart


Aaron Pryor

Alexis Arguello 2x
Antonio Cervantes
Dujan Johnson








Spinks moved up a weight class and beat "the man".Alexis Arguello couldn't do the same.

Lol.....and again Piss****** avoids putting up any kind of list of his own!! BWAAAHAHAAHAA!!!

[mickey malone]

Originally Posted by prinzemanspoper
Spinks moved up a weight class and beat "the man".Alexis Arguello couldn't do the same.

Arguello had already moved up two weight classes you ****** ****.

[BennyST]

Spinks, while an ATG at Light Heavyweight was a very beatable heavyweight. He beat an aged Holmes twice, Steffan Tangsted and an inactive Cooney.

How much credit does Sonny Liston get for steamrolling Patterson twice?

Well, the exact same thing could be said of both Pryor's big wins. Cervantes was done as a great champion and was himself 35 years old and 100 fights into his career and only a few fights off retirement.

Arguello was also quite old, and while he fought great it was still his fourth division after a long, hard, brutal career against a young, prime guy at his best weight.

Now, onto one other thing. While Spinks had beat Holmes twice and the aforementioned guys, why do you say he was a 'very beatable heavyweight'? He only lost once to a young, prime maniac who really was an absolute storm of boxing at that point and had not been beate to that point.

Despite Holmes being past his best, it was as you say a former LHW, and supposedly a very beatable HW that beat Holmes twice for the HW title. How is that not impressive? It wasn't a fluke.

He was a good aged 35 and had just come off some impressive wins, such as that over an undefeated Carl 'The Truth' Williams. Nothing mind blowing but a very beatable HW, and former LHW, is not going to do what so many others could not.

I think the reason that it's overlooked is because it was so unexpected. A absolute blow out, brutal KO in the first round? Well, in hindsight it must be because Spinks was obviously, judging by previous performances, a very beatable heavyweight that had no chance whatsoever and was just a former LHW champ. He was nothing and hadn't beaten anyone!

You say an inactive Cooney? Why, Spinks had been inactive just as long as Conney had when he got beaten by Tyson.

This now shows, through very scientific research, that it was an inactive, former LHW and very beatable HW, with no wins worth mentioning at all and really with no chance that fought Tyson. Through our painstaking research methods we have come to the BS (boxingscene, not bull****) conclusion that it was a useless win for Tyson and not worth a thing.