Ali or Louis?

[Schmerzen]

Here is a list of historians and others all time heavyweight rankings. Ali comes in ahead of Joe 8 to 7. Of course that isn't taking into consideration that there was more than one voter for the ESPN and IBRO votes which in essence mean Louis had to have gotten more votes.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

nat fleischer's list is a joke.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Thank-Heav...rld&id=1472228

[boxingbuff]

Yup, but that is based on much more than just his ring accomplishments. That is a fact.

In your mind.That's one vote-yours,Lol

[JAB5239]

i let you answer your own question:

You're an idiot. I never said anything about you and you just posted the proof.

u forgot archie moore.
i really believe floyd patterson alone would have beaten at least 5 of the fighters u mentioned, forget about what foreman could have done to them.

No, I didn't forget Moore. I left him out because a 46 year old man who retired after his next fight isn't relevant. Nice try.

it means ali faced the harder punchers and still wasnt knocked down as much as louis.

Getting knocked down means nothing if you get back up and win.

schmeling was 10 years older than louis, louis was the undeniable favorit when he fought schmeling.
maybe he didnt took him serious, doesnt mean he wasnt in his prime.
schmeling was the one who wasnt quite as good as in their first fight when louis met him 2 years later again.

Prime is when you're at both your physical and mental peak. Louis wasn't at his mental peak for the irst Schmeling fight. Most people agree Louis prime started about the second fight with Max.

wrong, ali beat 33 top 10 contenders, louis beat 30.

Thats very nice. Not exactly a huge difference though, is it?

[boxingbuff]

Muhammad Ali was picked as the 3rd greatest ATHLETE OF THE CENTURY by the UPI.

That is a fact.There is the source.

[JAB5239]

nat fleischer's list is a joke.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Thank-Heav...rld&id=1472228

If it makes you feel better I didn't start tallying up the count until the World Boxing 1974 readers poll, to be fair to Ali. So Fleischer's vote didn't count on the 8 to 7 votes I did count.

[JAB5239]

Muhammad Ali was picked as the 3rd greatest ATHLETE OF THE CENTURY by the UPI.

That is a fact.There is the source.

You keep trolling and spamming, but supply nothing of substance. Hell you haven't even posted a link. You really should try learning a little bit about this sport before posting crap and making a fool of yourself. Just trying to help you bud.

[Schmerzen]

You're an idiot. I never said anything about you and you just posted the proof..

a 10 years old kid is tough enough to call others idiot over the internet, thats why i try to ignore what u just said.

Thats very nice. Not exactly a huge difference though, is it?

joe louis also doesnt have that much more title defenses than ali, doesnt stop u from using this as your main argument to win this debate.

Prime is when you're at both your physical and mental peak. Louis wasn't at his mental peak for the irst Schmeling fight. Most people agree Louis prime started about the second fight with Max.

i just know ali at the same age was fighting liston.

No, I didn't forget Moore. I left him out because a 46 year old man who retired after his next fight isn't relevant. Nice try.

farr lost 4 fights in a row after louis beat him, funny u didnt left him out
and lets not forget sharkeys biggest win in his career against schmeling was very controversial.
and some ppl still believe his fight against carnera was staged.

[hhascup]

Just match up Ali's opponents with Louis's that they beat.

I have my picks in BOLD

1. Foreman 40-0-0 vs. Max Baer 50-6-0
2. Frazier 30-1-0 & 32-2-0 vs. Walcott 44-11-2 & 44-12-2
3. Liston 35-1-0 & 35-2-0 vs. Schmeling 52-7-4
4. Norton 30-1-0 & 37-3-0 vs. Braddock 50-25-7
5. Patterson 43-4-0 & 55-7-1 vs. Conn 59-10-1 & 62-11-1
6. Quarry 37-4-4 & 43-5-4 vs. Nova 26-2-4
7. Bonavena 46-6-1 vs. Galento 76-23-5
8. Ellis 30-6-0 vs. Sharkey 38-13-3
9. Folley 74-7-4 vs. Farr 66-20-13 Pick-Em
10. Terrell 38-4-0 vs. Carnera 82-7-0
11. Chuvalo 34-11-2 & 66-17-2 vs. Godoy 53-8-7 & 53-9-7
12. Lyle 30-2-1 vs. Simon 34-7-0
13. Shavers 54-5-1 vs. Buddy Baer 50-5-0 & 50-6-0
14. Bugner 43-4-1 & 51-6-1 vs.
15. Bob Foster 49-5-0 vs.
16. Mac Foster 28-1-0 vs.
17. Mildenberger 49-2-3
18. Moore 184-22-11
19. Young 17-4-2
20. Williams 65-5-1
21. Jones 21-3-1
22. Cooper 27-8-1 & 33-11-1
23. L. Spinks 7-0-1

This is their records at the time(s) they fought Ali and Louis. You can also switch them around if you want; just try to pick the best against the best. Meaning you should have the top opponents that Ali boxed against the top opponents of Louis.

That’s 31 wins against 23 different opponents. All 23 opponents were rated #3 or better in the World at one time or another by Ring Magazine.

[JAB5239]

a 10 years old kid is tough enough to call others idiot over the internet, thats why i try to ignore what u just said.

Is a 10 year old kid tough enough to make up a lie over the internet? Because thats what you did.

joe louis also doesnt have that much more title defenses than ali, doesnt stop u from using this as your main argument to win this debate.

Im not trying to win a debate on who should be ranked higher, only why I rank him higher. My whole thing with you was the making up of 21 defenses, which is undeniably untrue.

i just know ali at the same age was fighting liston.

That doesn't mean anything. Different fighters reach their primes at different times.

farr lost 4 fights in a row after louis beat him, funny u didnt left him out
and lets not forget sharkeys biggest win in his career against schmeling was very controversial.
and some ppl still believe his fight against carnera was staged.

Whats funny is you trying to compare a 24 year old Farr and a 46 year old Moore. Whats funny is you conveniently left out the next 4 losses were all to rated contenders. Whats funny is Sharkey also had wins over McTigue, Loughran, Delaney, Stribling and Wills.

You gotta come stronger than this son.

[HitmanHattonAY]

Ali would win becasue of unreal reflexes and speed