Joe Calzaghe Or Carlos Zarate?

[Snopkins]

Zarate actually has a weak resume.Calzagh'e resume isn't that good but certainly better than Zarate's.

[StarshipTrooper]

None of them have beaten in-prime greats, but one of them has beaten better fighters than the other.

One of them has made many more title defenses than the other.

One of them has beaten more hall of famers than the other.

One of them hasn't made title defenses against guys who's records were 2-3 and 1-4.

I think you know who I'm talking about.

Sorry, I don't give credit for beating a bunch of minor-league Euro-bums in the UK.

Poet

[whatwasit]

Sorry, I don't give credit for beating a bunch of minor-league Euro-bums in the UK.

Poet

It's clear you have no comeback for your fighter. You just lost the debate.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's clear you have no comeback for your fighter. You just lost the debate.

I don't debate, I simply state the facts.....and the facts are Europe is boxing's minor-leagues. You want a quality resume you need to step up to the bigs.

Poet

[whatwasit]

I don't debate, I simply state the facts.....and the facts are Europe is boxing's minor-leagues. You want a quality resume you need to step up to the bigs.

Poet

You have not stated one fact.

Please name me all the greats or better fighters that Zarate has beaten.

[StarshipTrooper]

You have not stated one fact.

Please name me all the greats or better fighters that Zarate has beaten.

Fact: Europe is boxing's minor-leagues.
Fact: Calzaghe spent 90% of his career fighting minor-leaguers (ie. European fighters).
Fact: All the big-leaguers that ARE on Calzaghe's resume are either well past their primes (Jones, Hopkins, Brewer) or were never serious players (Lacy).

Fact: Zarate spent his career fighting Latino fighters...... 20-20 Latino > 40-0 Euro-bum.

Poet

[whatwasit]

Fact: Europe is boxing's minor-leagues.
Fact: Calzaghe spent 90% of his career fighting minor-leaguers (ie. European fighters).
Fact: All the big-leaguers that ARE on Calzaghe's resume are either well past their primes (Jones, Hopkins, Brewer) or were never serious players (Lacy).

Fact: Zarate spent his career fighting Latino fighters...... 20-20 Latino > 40-0 Euro-bum.

Poet

I'm still waiting for you to list all the great fighters Zarate has beaten..

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm still waiting for you to list all the great fighters Zarate has beaten..

I'm still waiting for you to list Calzaghe's.

Poet

[whatwasit]

I'm still waiting for you to list Calzaghe's.

Poet

I've already stated that neither of them have beaten in-prime greats.

I have, however stated, that Calzaghe has made more title defenses against top ranked opposition, has beaten more hall of famers and has faced fighters with better win/loss records.

Now, if you truly believe that Zarate has the better resume, why don't you name all the great (or better) fighters he's beaten? Please attempt to school me. If you don't, it just proves that you have nothing to come back with and that I am the winner of this debate.

[StarshipTrooper]

I've already stated that neither of them have beaten in-prime greats.

I have, however stated, that Calzaghe has made more title defenses against top ranked opposition, has beaten more hall of famers and has faced fighters with better win/loss records.

Now, if you truly believe that Zarate has the better resume, why don't you name all the great (or better) fighters he's beaten? Please attempt to school me. If you don't, it just proves that you have nothing to come back with and that I am the winner of this debate.

As I've said before, this isn't a debate. I pointed out that Calzaghe has NO title defenses against LEGITIMATE top-ranked opposition, has beaten WELL-PAST it hall of famers, and that won/loss records are meaningless when comparing major-leaguers (Lantinos) to minor-leaguers (Euro-frauds). End of discussion.

Poet