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  • #41
    Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
    I'm sure they will since the IBOF is a popularity contest and Wlad's demented nuthuggers like yourself will clamour for it. Like I said: "If we had a REAL hall-of-fame....."
    the old biased troll has spoken again, since when im a wladimir nuthugger?
    just giving credit for what he has done in his career, something u never heard of i bet.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
      "So called" weak era? Anyone with a brain KNOWS this is one of the weakest eras ever in Heavyweight history. You'd have to have tour head in your arse not to see it. As for Wlad getting into the IBOF......I have no doubt Arturo Gatti will get in since any fighter with a significant fan following is likely to get in. Which means Wlad, with his legions of delusional fan-bois will most likely as well. It doesn't say anything about Wlad but rather speaks volumes about the low standards of the IBOF.

      Poet
      Yeah, let's just pretend that Louis didn't fight "Bum Of The Month Club" members.

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      • #43
        Ali is an icon, a hero. We have to differenciate between p4p rankings and relative achievements. Ali's reign, level of competition and dominance of the grandest era make his achievements unsurpassed for my money.

        P4P is a different debate, although I can gladly accept Ali as #1. Most place SRR at #1, and the case is strong. The weight of "opinion" backs that.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Fiasco View Post
          Oh.. so a prime SRL has no chance against Robinson at welterweight?

          A middleweight version of Jones, Hagler, Monzon and Greb have no chance, right?
          Did I say "no chance"? I said I wouldn't favor them: A big difference from "no chance" wouldn't you say? As a general rule, any ATG fighter has a chance in a one-off fight against another ATG in his weight class. Simply because they have a chance to win doesn't mean they should be favored.

          Poet

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Fiasco View Post
            Yeah, let's just pretend that Louis didn't fight "Bum Of The Month Club" members.
            Never said he didn't. I'd favor Louis' "bums" over the vast majority of Wlad's career opponents.

            Poet

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            • #46
              Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
              the old biased troll has spoken again, since when im a wladimir nuthugger?
              just giving credit for what he has done in his career, something u never heard of i bet.
              Unlike you I actually have standards. I give credit where that credit is earned. Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. Unlike you, I don't give bonus points for region of birth.

              Poet

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              • #47
                Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                Did I say "no chance"? I said I wouldn't favor them: A big difference from "no chance" wouldn't you say? As a general rule, any ATG fighter has a chance in a one-off fight against another ATG in his weight class. Simply because they have a chance to win doesn't mean they should be favored.

                Poet
                We're not talking about a one-off fight. We're talking about each of them on their best nights fighting each other.

                The fighters I named have a relatively good chance at beating Robinson. How many heavyweights have a good chance at beating a prime Ali?

                Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                Never said he didn't. I'd favor Louis' "bums" over the vast majority of Wlad's career opponents.

                Poet
                L-O-L.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                  Unlike you I actually have standards. I give credit where that credit is earned. Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. Unlike you, I don't give bonus points for region of birth.
                  53-3 47 KOs, nuff said

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Fiasco View Post
                    We're not talking about a one-off fight. We're talking about each of them on their best nights fighting each other.
                    That's still a one-off fight by definition.


                    Originally posted by Fiasco View Post
                    The fighters I named have a relatively good chance at beating Robinson. How many heavyweights have a good chance at beating a prime Ali?
                    Hmmm. I would give Louis, Johnson, and Holmes a fair chance of winning. Ali was the top Heavyweight of all time but he wasn't unbeatable.

                    Poet

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
                      53-3 47 KOs, nuff said
                      66-3 52 KOs, nuff said
                      49-0 43 KOs, nuff said

                      Poet

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