Ali is greater than Robinson

[Schmerzen]

I'm sure they will since the IBOF is a popularity contest and Wlad's demented nuthuggers like yourself will clamour for it. Like I said: "If we had a REAL hall-of-fame....."

the old biased troll has spoken again, since when im a wladimir nuthugger?
just giving credit for what he has done in his career, something u never heard of i bet.

[Fiasco]

"So called" weak era? Anyone with a brain KNOWS this is one of the weakest eras ever in Heavyweight history. You'd have to have tour head in your arse not to see it. As for Wlad getting into the IBOF......I have no doubt Arturo Gatti will get in since any fighter with a significant fan following is likely to get in. Which means Wlad, with his legions of delusional fan-bois will most likely as well. It doesn't say anything about Wlad but rather speaks volumes about the low standards of the IBOF.

Poet

Yeah, let's just pretend that Louis didn't fight "Bum Of The Month Club" members.

[fight_professor]

Ali is an icon, a hero. We have to differenciate between p4p rankings and relative achievements. Ali's reign, level of competition and dominance of the grandest era make his achievements unsurpassed for my money.

P4P is a different debate, although I can gladly accept Ali as #1. Most place SRR at #1, and the case is strong. The weight of "opinion" backs that.

[StarshipTrooper]

Oh.. so a prime SRL has no chance against Robinson at welterweight?

A middleweight version of Jones, Hagler, Monzon and Greb have no chance, right?

Did I say "no chance"? I said I wouldn't favor them: A big difference from "no chance" wouldn't you say? As a general rule, any ATG fighter has a chance in a one-off fight against another ATG in his weight class. Simply because they have a chance to win doesn't mean they should be favored.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Yeah, let's just pretend that Louis didn't fight "Bum Of The Month Club" members.

Never said he didn't. I'd favor Louis' "bums" over the vast majority of Wlad's career opponents.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

the old biased troll has spoken again, since when im a wladimir nuthugger?
just giving credit for what he has done in his career, something u never heard of i bet.

Unlike you I actually have standards. I give credit where that credit is earned. Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. Unlike you, I don't give bonus points for region of birth.

Poet

[Fiasco]

Did I say "no chance"? I said I wouldn't favor them: A big difference from "no chance" wouldn't you say? As a general rule, any ATG fighter has a chance in a one-off fight against another ATG in his weight class. Simply because they have a chance to win doesn't mean they should be favored.

Poet

We're not talking about a one-off fight. We're talking about each of them on their best nights fighting each other.

The fighters I named have a relatively good chance at beating Robinson. How many heavyweights have a good chance at beating a prime Ali?

Never said he didn't. I'd favor Louis' "bums" over the vast majority of Wlad's career opponents.

Poet

L-O-L.

[Schmerzen]

Unlike you I actually have standards. I give credit where that credit is earned. Being a big fish in a small pond doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. Unlike you, I don't give bonus points for region of birth.

53-3 47 KOs, nuff said

[StarshipTrooper]

We're not talking about a one-off fight. We're talking about each of them on their best nights fighting each other.

That's still a one-off fight by definition.

The fighters I named have a relatively good chance at beating Robinson. How many heavyweights have a good chance at beating a prime Ali?

Hmmm. I would give Louis, Johnson, and Holmes a fair chance of winning. Ali was the top Heavyweight of all time but he wasn't unbeatable.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

53-3 47 KOs, nuff said

66-3 52 KOs, nuff said
49-0 43 KOs, nuff said

Poet