Joe Frazier Or Michael Spinks?

[bojangles1987]

Unfortunately so many only know Michael Spinks from Tyson destroying him. And Frazier had such a short career, despite what he did within that short time.

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Spinks no doubt.

[frankenfrank]

Virtually every ranked puncher of his era.frazier's entire career was carefully guided and his managment avoided any fighter that offered more than just a minor threat that wasn't named Ali.

and wasn't named Foreman , or Chuvalo .
Frazier fought every dangerous contender of his time.
he fought foreman 2 times. foreman was not named Ali , so he wasn't dangerous according to you.
Chuvalo was stopped only by foreman and frazier , never been down.
almost a McCall. frazier stopped the much bigger Buster Mathis , whom beat him in the ams. i guess he too , wasn't dangerous.
i guess you are true about spinks not ducking Tucker , but very much wrong here.

[boxingbuff]

I'll go with Spinks. He was king of arguably the strongest light heavyweight era while Frazier played second fiddle in arguably the strongest heavyweight era. Top that off with Spinks wins over Holmes and I think he would be the better choice here.

Holmes was way past his prime when he fought Spinks.

Prime Frazier would chew up and spit out Spinks.

[boxingbuff]

and wasn't named Foreman , or Chuvalo .
Frazier fought every dangerous contender of his time.
he fought foreman 2 times. foreman was not named Ali , so he wasn't dangerous according to you.
Chuvalo was stopped only by foreman and frazier , never been down.
almost a McCall. frazier stopped the much bigger Buster Mathis , whom beat him in the ams. i guess he too , wasn't dangerous.
i guess you are true about spinks not ducking Tucker , but very much wrong here.

Frazier also fought and beat some really good fighters early in his carreer.He beat Oscar Bonevena with only 11 pro fights.He beat Eddie Machen early in his carreer.He destroyed Jimmy Elliss in 4 rounds to win the title.

Just adding on a couple fighters to your list.

[JAB5239]

Holmes was way past his prime when he fought Spinks.

Prime Frazier would chew up and spit out Spinks.

Doesn't change the fact that Spinks was a better light heavy than Frazier was a heavyweight. Can't blame Micheal for not fighting Holmes sooner, he was cleaning out arguably the best era of lightheavyweights.

[gimmeyapudpud]

and wasn't named Foreman , or Chuvalo .
Frazier fought every dangerous contender of his time.
he fought foreman 2 times. foreman was not named Ali , so he wasn't dangerous according to you.
Chuvalo was stopped only by foreman and frazier , never been down.
almost a McCall. frazier stopped the much bigger Buster Mathis , whom beat him in the ams. i guess he too , wasn't dangerous.
i guess you are true about spinks not ducking Tucker , but very much wrong here.

Um,no he didn't.Foreman was lightly regarded the first time Frazier fought him and Frazier fought him in the rematch because he knew he was irrelevant and was just looking for one last payday.


He didn't fight dangerous punchers such as Mac Foster,Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers.So to claim he fought every dangerous contender of his era is ****** and wrong.

Frazier also fought and beat some really good fighters early in his carreer.He beat Oscar Bonevena with only 11 pro fights.He beat Eddie Machen early in his carreer.He destroyed Jimmy Elliss in 4 rounds to win the title.

Just adding on a couple fighters to your list.

Eddie Machen was well past it,no longer ranked in the top ten.Frazier received a gift decision against Bonavena and he stalled a title unification fight with Jimmy Ellis

Holmes was way past his prime when he fought Spinks.

So was Ali when Frazier beat him.Larry Holmes had atleast been an active fighter at that point.

Michael Spinks entire life isn't based around his two victories over Larry Holmes either.

Spinks has a legacy outside of just one man.

[JAB5239]

Um,no he didn't.Foreman was lightly regarded the first time Frazier fought him and Frazier fought him in the rematch because he knew he was irrelevant and was just looking for one last payday.


He didn't fight dangerous punchers such as Mac Foster,Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers.So to claim he fought every dangerous contender of his era is ****** and wrong.

We've already been over this and you have been shown why those fights weren't made. You making claims that have no weight. You're making a judgment about Frazier, yet you don't talk about any other fighters (unless you dislike them) who missed out on fighting some of the other contenders from their era's. Why is that?

[frankenfrank]

Um,no he didn't.Foreman was lightly regarded the first time Frazier fought him

the big and undefeated 1968 heavyweight gold medalist whom also stopped Chuvalo by that time was very lightly regarded. really a nobody.

and Frazier fought him in the rematch because he knew he was irrelevant and was just looking for one last payday.

frazier looked for further paydays his entire career.

He didn't fight dangerous punchers such as Mac Foster,Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers.So to claim he fought every dangerous contender of his era is ****** and wrong.

that's becuase he was busy fighting better opposition . i.e ali (3 times) ,
foreman (twice) , chuvalo , avenging his amateurs loss to mathis was also important , and mathis was 23-0-0 at the time , and Bonavena (twice) , and some less important but still important others like Bugner , Stander , and some others whom were mentioned by other poster here.

Spinks has a legacy outside of just one man.

true , but frazier's legacy was much greater , and never doubt the fact that frazier would have destroyed spinks inside 12 , much quicker than 12 , i believe.

[boxingbuff]

Frazier only lost to 2 fighters in his entire career.Ali and Foreman.

Both top 5 Heavyweights in boxing history.