Duran-Whitaker

[donkim]

Most on here realize Duran was not in proper shape for the second Leonard fight

Most on here know you to be an apologist.This post proves it.Most here are perhaps not aware what a coward you are however,or perhaps they do know,but don't wish to tell you as they enjoy having you kiss their arse all the time.


I bet Duran was in "proper shape" to poke a green Davey Moore in the eye though,wasn't he?

Whitaker's defense was overrated and very rarely did he ever look untouchable.Pernell Whitaker is the greatest example of why it's best to watch a fight in it's entirety rather than a simple highlight.

[tyger]

Duran would find a way to win, not just because he fought a much higher level of competetion but it is what he did as a lightweight. Whitaker would be hard to it and it wouldn't be easy but when the decision is announced his hand is raised. And it is not one of those Ramirez/Chavez type decisions.

[mickey malone]

All good answers so far. But I was wondering more about Pea's ability to frustrate Duran and the way he would mock his opponents. Would an in shape Duran boil over with aggravation and frustration the way the out of shape Duran did against Leonard?

Yes, they are all good answers, to a difficult question at that..
I think most of you have it spot on.. Particlarly liked *****'s take on it..

I think the key point here, is that as a lightweight, Duran was totally untested against anyone of Whitaker's skill levels, and dare i say it? But this would also have to include DeJesus and Buchannon respectively..
Fundumentally, he'd never even met a good southpaw, let alone one of the craftiest whoever lived.. In fact, can anyone help?, as i'm at a loss to name even one southpaw that he did engage as a lightweight..

On statistics, Duran takes it, but i'm not so sure about lightweight resume..
Both were undisputed, with championship records of 15-1-0 to 14-1-0 (Whitaker), and both had lost 1 DC a piece to quality fighters.. Both also avenged these defeats, DeJesus twice by Duran & Ramirez once by Whitaker..
Duran dominated for 5 years, and also won 16 non-title bouts during his reign.. Most of them were by way of impressive KO, but to be fair, quite a few of them were against journeyman pro's, with one noted exception, being the classy Saoul Mamby who dropped a narrow points decision over 10..
Whitaker, on the other hand, had 3 years of domination with no non-title fights, but in my opinion, faced a better quality of opposition.. Duran's greatest lightweight performances were against DeJesus and Buchannon.. Other victories included, an old Jimmy Robinson, Guts Ishimatsu, Masataka Tayayama, Ray Lampkin, Leoncio Ortiz, Lou Bizzarro, Hector Thompson and Vilomar Fernandez..
Whitaker beat, Jose Luis Ramirez, Greg Haugen, Freddie Pendleton, Anthony Jones, Policarpo Diaz, Miguel Santana, Jorge Paez, and an old Azumah Nelson..
It could also be argued that Nelson's style had many similar characteristics to Duran's.

After studying the logic that surrounds this intriguing match-up, i'd be inclined to suggest that Sweet Pea would have been Duran's stylistic boogieman, and with compitent judges, would have taken a closely fought majority decision..
As for, 'would he frustrate him?',, 'To damn right, he would!'

[JAB5239]

Yes, they are all good answers, to a difficult question at that..
I think most of you have it spot on.. Particlarly liked *****'s take on it..

I think the key point here, is that as a lightweight, Duran was totally untested against anyone of Whitaker's skill levels, and dare i say it? But this would also have to include DeJesus and Buchannon respectively..
Fundumentally, he'd never even met a good southpaw, let alone one of the craftiest whoever lived.. In fact, can anyone help?, as i'm at a loss to name even one southpaw that he did engage as a lightweight..

On statistics, Duran takes it, but i'm not so sure about lightweight resume..
Both were undisputed, with championship records of 15-1-0 to 14-1-0 (Whitaker), and both had lost 1 DC a piece to quality fighters.. Both also avenged these defeats, DeJesus twice by Duran & Ramirez once by Whitaker..
Duran dominated for 5 years, and also won 16 non-title bouts during his reign.. Most of them were by way of impressive KO, but to be fair, quite a few of them were against journeyman pro's, with one noted exception, being the classy Saoul Mamby who dropped a narrow points decision over 10..
Whitaker, on the other hand, had 3 years of domination with no non-title fights, but in my opinion, faced a better quality of opposition.. Duran's greatest lightweight performances were against DeJesus and Buchannon.. Other victories included, an old Jimmy Robinson, Guts Ishimatsu, Masataka Tayayama, Ray Lampkin, Leoncio Ortiz, Lou Bizzarro, Hector Thompson and Vilomar Fernandez..
Whitaker beat, Jose Luis Ramirez, Greg Haugen, Freddie Pendleton, Anthony Jones, Policarpo Diaz, Miguel Santana, Jorge Paez, and an old Azumah Nelson..

It could also be argued that Nelson's style had many similar characteristics to Duran's.

I haven't seen this fight in years, but didn't Nelson make it competitive? And if he did what would a prime Duran do?

After studying the logic that surrounds this intriguing match-up, i'd be inclined to suggest that Sweet Pea would have been Duran's stylistic boogieman, and with compitent judges, would have taken a closely fought majority decision..
As for, 'would he frustrate him?',, 'To damn right, he would!'

This is a tough fight any way you look at it but I think Duran would earn a decision based on effective aggression. No doubt Pea would make him look silly at times but I don't think he ever fought anybody as strong, fast or defensively gifted as prime Duran. Based on the thing you outlined
I wouldn't argue to much with anyone who chose Whitaker.

Good post as usual Mic.

[bojangles1987]

This is really a pick em fight, I would go with Whitaker by very, very close decision. It would probably be a decision that half the people who watch agree with, and half call a robbery.

[mickey malone]

haven't seen this fight in years, but didn't Nelson make it competitive? And if he did what would a prime Duran do?

TBH, neither have i, so i won't comment to much until i've done a bit more research.. I do recall Nelson screaming for a rematch more or less up until he retired though, so you may well have a valid point.. But, i also have some recollection of Whitaker clowning him, so i'll get back to you on it shortly..
Oh,and likewise, I wouldn't argue to much with anyone who picks Duran either..

[mickey malone]

haven't seen this fight in years, but didn't Nelson make it competitive? And if he did what would a prime Duran do?

TBH, neither have i, so i won't comment to much until i've done a bit more research.. I do recall Nelson screaming for a rematch more or less up until he retired though, so you may well have a valid point.. But, i also have some recollection of Whitaker clowning him, so i'll get back to you on it shortly..
Oh,and likewise, I wouldn't argue to much with anyone who picks Duran either..

Just took a look at rounds 6-8.. That's about all i could manage as for some reason, my machine is taking an age to play and download vids.. Although, from what i remember, and what i did see - Whitaker was definitely having the best of it with punch and move tactics, and tbh that's how i'd see it vs a past-prime Duran too.

I do know that Whitaker had a point deducted in that fight.. I can't remember why, or what round it was in, but the end result was a UD and lets face it, most judges were never particularly overawed with his style, so i think it's fair to say Nelson was beaten convincingly in this one..

[Obama]

People seem to forget about old Ken Buchanan he was a pretty slick fighter IMO and Duran just wore him down through his relentlessness.
Tricky one to call, be some fight though.

I'd call Ken Buchanan a lot of things. But slick damn sure ain't one of them. He's not even as slick as Evander Holyfield, who isn't slick himself.

[Suckmedry]

Most on here know you to be an apologist.This post proves it.Most here are perhaps not aware what a coward you are however,or perhaps they do know,but don't wish to tell you as they enjoy having you kiss their arse all the time.


I bet Duran was in "proper shape" to poke a green Davey Moore in the eye though,wasn't he?

Whitaker's defense was overrated and very rarely did he ever look untouchable.Pernell Whitaker is the greatest example of why it's best to watch a fight in it's entirety rather than a simple highlight.

People have got to stop responding to this guy, it's like feeding a seagull at the beach and then they keep coming back for more. The guy enjoys spouting his drivel and does it more and more everytime he is rebuked.

[StarshipTrooper]

People have got to stop responding to this guy, it's like feeding a seagull at the beach and then they keep coming back for more. The guy enjoys spouting his drivel and does it more and more everytime he is rebuked.

Let's feed him some dry Alke-Seltzer and see what happens

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