Name Some ATG Fighters Who Avoided Fighters?

[Dynamite Kid]

[QUOTE=Dynamite Kid;7201403]On the official!! cards yeah but did Azumah Nelson deserve the official verdict he got against Jeff Fenech or the one Ramirez got against Whitaker.

Anyone with half a brain could see that was an extremely close fight.

[GJC]

I will say that I wish I hadn't have mentioned Tyson Lewis as what could have been an interesting thread will now be dominated by Lennox Lewis again!

[TheGreatA]

Mercer vs Ferguson was the infamous "bribe fight" where Mercer offered Ferguson a bribe to "lie-down" Ferguson refused and punched out a clear verdict over Mercer, a court case failed to prove Mercer guilty but with the No1 contender being beaten Bowe took on the victor in Ferguson...

I know all of this and I fail to see how this proves me wrong in any way. Ferguson vs Mercer was not a title eliminator as you claimed, instead it was viewed as more of a tune-up, which Mercer messed up. Still, Bowe taking on journeyman Jesse Ferguson instead of rated contenders was highly suspect. And Mercer was not the number 1 contender of anything at the time, coming off a recent loss to ancient Larry Holmes.

Manny Stewart advised Lewis not to fight Chris Byrd whos style was all wrong for Lewis and Lewis would most likey lose a wide decision..If Stewart thought Lewis could beat Byrd then he would have fought Byrd.. what kind of champion is it that just refuses to fight the No1 contenders.. some on this subject are calling Rid**** Bowe for not figfhtinf Lewis when Lewis was No1 contender.. talk about double standards..

Byrd at no point in time was an actual number 1 contender for Lewis. Some meaningless tin belt may have made him a mandatory challenger but that doesn't mean he was viewed as a worthy contender for Lewis.

Steward likely meant that Byrd would have been a dull, uninteresting opponent (which he was, undeniably) and no good could have come from such a match-up.

Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko was never mooted... Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson who pulled out threw injury so Vitali stepped in.. the Lewis camp thought Vitali was a tomato-can

Now Vitali is supposed to have been a tomato can? He was a legit challenger who was supposed to be showcased on the Lewis-Johnson undercard against then unbeaten Cedric Boswell in order to hype a potential Vitali-Lewis meeting in the future. Johnson pulled out however and Lewis immediately took on Vitali, a dangerous contender, on a short notice for both.

Ruiz even floored Holyfield, something Lewis never came near to doing.. Ruiz vs Holyfield was 1-1-1 yet Ruiz should have won all 3 whereas Lewis should have been awarded the winner in his first fight with Holyfield and Holyfield was a clear winner in their 2nd fight with 43 of 48 ringside reporters thinking Holyfield was a clear winner.

Should have won all three? I want to see your scorecards, especially for the third fight.

Holyfield was a clear winner against Lewis the second time? I wonder where this (mis)information about all these ringside reporters scoring the fight for Holyfield comes from. Just another one of your claims that goes unproven. All the news reports that I've read on the fight claim that it was a clear win for Lewis with no controversy about it.

Go ahead and look:

"No controversy this time; Lewis wins"
"LEWIS OUTLASTS HOLYFIELD"
"This time, no dis*****g Lewis' win over Holyfield ."

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...11&lnav=hist10

The Associated Press scored the bout 116-113 for Lewis.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...olyfield&hl=en

you claim Dokes was nearly decapitated by Ruddock years earlier.. yet he was on a 10 fight win streak... Morrison had been nearly decapitated years earlier by Ray Mercer and again by Michael Bent but you put that up as a great competitive match-up with Lewis..

I never said that, and Morrison clearly had a lot more left being in his 20's and coming off a KO win over Ruddock (who KO'd Dokes) when he fought Lewis.

Pinklon Thomas too went on a winning streak in 1992 against some local journeymen but he was a spent fighter at that point, much like Dokes. It's absurd to claim that Dokes was a legit contender for Bowe at that point.

Rid**** Bowe can be found on youtube on film saying "Lennox Lewis priced himself out of their fight in 92" knowing he would be given the title... who are you or myself to call the guy a liar... why would he lie!

Why would Lennox Lewis lie? Who are you to call him a liar?

you are just making up assumptions which you believe to be true yet you have zero evidence

Sounds like you are describing yourself here to be completely honest. Clearly, you have no need to back up your views with factual evidence but instead try to play off your opinions as fact.

[cotto16]

I will say that I wish I hadn't have mentioned Tyson Lewis as what could have been an interesting thread will now be dominated by Lennox Lewis again!

yep agreed......this thread had so much potential, but got ruined!

[donkim]

Ruiz did not beat Holyfield easier than Lewis. They were all ugly fights that were difficult to score.

He beat Holyield easily and decisively in their first fight,it was a much greater robbery than the first Lewis-Holyfield fight.


The only just decision of that entire trilogy was the second fight because Holyfield was robbed in their third fight too.

Ruiz vs Holyfield was 1-1-1 yet Ruiz should have won all 3

Ruiz should be 2-1 with Holyfield.Ruiz lost the third fight clearly and they give as clear a gift as they gave Holyield in their first fight.

[The Stone Roses]

Reckon you could probably level this against pretty much most fighters.
Ali pretty much fought everyone but certainly avoided a 4th fight with Norton to fight Spinks. Ditto, Louis but he didn't fight Bivins until both were past their best.
Tyson v Lewis in 96 I believe?
I believe Dundee blocked a fight for SRL against Hearns early in both of their careers.
SRR v Burley?
Guess you have to figure that boxers are businessmen and do weigh up risk v reward, so it is probably a business decision rather than cowardice.

WTF???? Ali ducked a 4th fight with Norton??? you dont know **** about boxing....why would he fight Norton if he has a chance to regain the title for the 3rd time against spinks??? idiot

[Suckmedry]

Reckon you could probably level this against pretty much most fighters.
Ali pretty much fought everyone but certainly avoided a 4th fight with Norton to fight Spinks. Ditto, Louis but he didn't fight Bivins until both were past their best.
Tyson v Lewis in 96 I believe?
I believe Dundee blocked a fight for SRL against Hearns early in both of their careers.
SRR v Burley?
Guess you have to figure that boxers are businessmen and do weigh up risk v reward, so it is probably a business decision rather than cowardice.

I have read this too, but that was purely a business decision. Why fight them early on, wait until both their stars had grown and the fight would reel in much more money for everyone. Dundee always intended to fight Hearns, just later on when it would make more sense and $$ for everyone.

[sonnyboyx2]

I know all of this and I fail to see how this proves me wrong in any way. Ferguson vs Mercer was not a title eliminator as you claimed, instead it was viewed as more of a tune-up, which Mercer messed up. Still, Bowe taking on journeyman Jesse Ferguson instead of rated contenders was highly suspect. And Mercer was not the number 1 contender of anything at the time, coming off a recent loss to ancient Larry Holmes.



Byrd at no point in time was an actual number 1 contender for Lewis. Some meaningless tin belt may have made him a mandatory challenger but that doesn't mean he was viewed as a worthy contender for Lewis.

Steward likely meant that Byrd would have been a dull, uninteresting opponent (which he was, undeniably) and no good could have come from such a match-up.



Now Vitali is supposed to have been a tomato can? He was a legit challenger who was supposed to be showcased on the Lewis-Johnson undercard against then unbeaten Cedric Boswell in order to hype a potential Vitali-Lewis meeting in the future. Johnson pulled out however and Lewis immediately took on Vitali, a dangerous contender, on a short notice for both.



Should have won all three? I want to see your scorecards, especially for the third fight.

Holyfield was a clear winner against Lewis the second time? I wonder where this (mis)information about all these ringside reporters scoring the fight for Holyfield comes from. Just another one of your claims that goes unproven. All the news reports that I've read on the fight claim that it was a clear win for Lewis with no controversy about it.

Go ahead and look:

"No controversy this time; Lewis wins"
"LEWIS OUTLASTS HOLYFIELD"
"This time, no dis*****g Lewis' win over Holyfield ."

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...11&lnav=hist10

The Associated Press scored the bout 116-113 for Lewis.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...olyfield&hl=en



I never said that, and Morrison clearly had a lot more left being in his 20's and coming off a KO win over Ruddock (who KO'd Dokes) when he fought Lewis.

Pinklon Thomas too went on a winning streak in 1992 against some local journeymen but he was a spent fighter at that point, much like Dokes. It's absurd to claim that Dokes was a legit contender for Bowe at that point.



Why would Lennox Lewis lie? Who are you to call him a liar?



Sounds like you are describing yourself here to be completely honest. Clearly, you have no need to back up your views with factual evidence but instead try to play off your opinions as fact.

you call into question Rid**** Bowe fighting journeymen like Ferguson & Dokes.. yet it is ok for Lewis to fight Journeymen, Lionel Butler, Phil Jackson & Hasim Rahman, the Lewis camp appealed to the WBC to have Rahman installed in the Top 10 ratings as they had him at No12 so moved him up to No10 and he poleaxed Lewis in South Africa... But its OK for Lewis to fight journeymen but not Bowe... its OK for Lewis to refuse to fight No1 contenders nut not Bowe.

Byrd was IBF No1 contender (FACT)... Lewis was to be stripped of their belt for refusing to fight Chris Byrd, so the Lewis camp came up with the theory that Don King bought him a new car and asked him to vacate the IBF belt... which was a load of rubbish`like i said earlier Stewart told Lewis to avoid Byrd... Stewart never ment like you claim (he ment it would be a dull fight).. Byrd was a `live threat`to everyone in the division, he held a win over Vitali Klitschko and went on to take that IBF belt beating Holyfield far easier than Lewis did.. Byrd then defended against Tua, Golota, McCline, Oquendo, Williamson.. beating them all and showing that he was a serious contender which both Manny Stewart & Lewis knew.

Vitali was not a legit-challenger like you claim.. Vitali`s biggest career victory was a win over Herbie Hide and he was coming off a loss to Chris Byrd... Vitali was fighting for "inter-continental belts" and was thought of as the weaker of the 2 brothers by some way...to say otherwise like you claim is lies made up to back up your weak case.

43 of 48 ringside reporters had Holyfield the clear winner in his 2nd fight with Lewis..

Lewis ducks Ruiz & Byrd and nothing is mentioned, yet any other champion is said to be `Scared`..

Lennox Lewis was offered the largest purse in pro-sports history, a staggering $35 million + PPV by HBO to fight newley crowned undefeated WBA Heavyweight Champion Roy Jones Jr..... Lewis "Turned it Down" saying he had nothing to prove by fighting a former middleweight champion... talk about Phlucking laugh.... Lewis just never fancied his chances against the then brilliant "Super-Roy"
i will await you to completely deny this also.

Lennox Lewis fans seem to think that Lewis was avoided by every top fighter all his career when they could not be further from the truth... Lewis was given the WBC belt in late 92 he did not fight Razor Ruddock for that belt, his fight with Ruddock was a final-eliminator... Lewis was virtually unknown outside West Ham in London, he wanted nothing to do with the top Americans, He defended against Tucker (Junkie), Bruno who had been badley beaten by Witherspoon, Smith & Tyson and was thought to be easy meat yet gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing and was very unfortunate loser, Lewis then fought world-beater Phil Jackson... The WBC ordered Lewis to fight their No1 contender Oliver McCall who poleaxed Lewis in less than 2rds... for the next 5yrs Lennox Lewis was thought of as "Typical European horizontal Heavyweight".. to claim that Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman was all afraid of him is complete rubbish.. these guys was all fighting each other for the Heavyweight Title while Lewis was fighting Lionel Butler 22-10-1, Justin Fortune 11-2-1, Morrison 45-2,... Yet you are claimin Mike Tyson was afraid of this bum so paid him step-a-side money... it was Lewis who was afraid of Tyson.. Lewis did not have to accept, he could have said NO..... Tysons goal was to become undisputed champion, he had just butchered Frank Bruno for the WBC belt and was looking to get the WBA belt from Bruce Seldon which he did... Tyson was not "Running scared" of Phlucking Lennox Lewis.. Tyson beat Seldon 12 weeks after Lennox Lewis won a lacklustre and hotly desputed decision over Ray Mercer... Mercer was on the slide by then having been schooled by old Larry Holmes and punched to pieces by Journeyman Jesse Ferguson... Mike Tyson musta been shaking with fear.... it was Lennox Lewis who did not fancy the job so accpted step-a-side money selling his No1 position to Evander Holyfield, and as i pointed out earlier Lewis could have easily said NO.

Now why would Rid**** Bowe lie? why would Mike Tyson lie?... you seem to be under the illusion that every fighter was terrified of Lennox Lewis during the 1990s which cannot be further from the truth

[Suckmedry]

you call into question Rid**** Bowe fighting journeymen like Ferguson & Dokes.. yet it is ok for Lewis to fight Journeymen, Lionel Butler, Phil Jackson & Hasim Rahman, the Lewis camp appealed to the WBC to have Rahman installed in the Top 10 ratings as they had him at No12 so moved him up to No10 and he poleaxed Lewis in South Africa... But its OK for Lewis to fight journeymen but not Bowe... its OK for Lewis to refuse to fight No1 contenders nut not Bowe.

Byrd was IBF No1 contender (FACT)... Lewis was to be stripped of their belt for refusing to fight Chris Byrd, so the Lewis camp came up with the theory that Don King bought him a new car and asked him to vacate the IBF belt... which was a load of rubbish`like i said earlier Stewart told Lewis to avoid Byrd... Stewart never ment like you claim (he ment it would be a dull fight).. Byrd was a `live threat`to everyone in the division, he held a win over Vitali Klitschko and went on to take that IBF belt beating Holyfield far easier than Lewis did.. Byrd then defended against Tua, Golota, McCline, Oquendo, Williamson.. beating them all and showing that he was a serious contender which both Manny Stewart & Lewis knew.

Vitali was not a legit-challenger like you claim.. Vitali`s biggest career victory was a win over Herbie Hide and he was coming off a loss to Chris Byrd... Vitali was fighting for "inter-continental belts" and was thought of as the weaker of the 2 brothers by some way...to say otherwise like you claim is lies made up to back up your weak case.

43 of 48 ringside reporters had Holyfield the clear winner in his 2nd fight with Lewis..

Lewis ducks Ruiz & Byrd and nothing is mentioned, yet any other champion is said to be `Scared`..

Lennox Lewis was offered the largest purse in pro-sports history, a staggering $35 million + PPV by HBO to fight newley crowned undefeated WBA Heavyweight Champion Roy Jones Jr..... Lewis "Turned it Down" saying he had nothing to prove by fighting a former middleweight champion... talk about Phlucking laugh.... Lewis just never fancied his chances against the then brilliant "Super-Roy"
i will await you to completely deny this also.

Lennox Lewis fans seem to think that Lewis was avoided by every top fighter all his career when they could not be further from the truth... Lewis was given the WBC belt in late 92 he did not fight Razor Ruddock for that belt, his fight with Ruddock was a final-eliminator... Lewis was virtually unknown outside West Ham in London, he wanted nothing to do with the top Americans, He defended against Tucker (Junkie), Bruno who had been badley beaten by Witherspoon, Smith & Tyson and was thought to be easy meat yet gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing and was very unfortunate loser, Lewis then fought world-beater Phil Jackson... The WBC ordered Lewis to fight their No1 contender Oliver McCall who poleaxed Lewis in less than 2rds... for the next 5yrs Lennox Lewis was thought of as "Typical European horizontal Heavyweight".. to claim that Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman was all afraid of him is complete rubbish.. these guys was all fighting each other for the Heavyweight Title while Lewis was fighting Lionel Butler 22-10-1, Justin Fortune 11-2-1, Morrison 45-2,... Yet you are claimin Mike Tyson was afraid of this bum so paid him step-a-side money... it was Lewis who was afraid of Tyson.. Lewis did not have to accept, he could have said NO..... Tysons goal was to become undisputed champion, he had just butchered Frank Bruno for the WBC belt and was looking to get the WBA belt from Bruce Seldon which he did... Tyson was not "Running scared" of Phlucking Lennox Lewis.. Tyson beat Seldon 12 weeks after Lennox Lewis won a lacklustre and hotly desputed decision over Ray Mercer... Mercer was on the slide by then having been schooled by old Larry Holmes and punched to pieces by Journeyman Jesse Ferguson... Mike Tyson musta been shaking with fear.... it was Lennox Lewis who did not fancy the job so accpted step-a-side money selling his No1 position to Evander Holyfield, and as i pointed out earlier Lewis could have easily said NO.

Now why would Rid**** Bowe lie? why would Mike Tyson lie?... you seem to be under the illusion that every fighter was terrified of Lennox Lewis during the 1990s which cannot be further from the truth

Seek help. It's disturbing someone could come up with that much writing on an internet forum, solely to discredit one man, who he has never met nor ever been affected by.

I don't even know what point you are trying to make, you just really hate Lewis, and it seems like more than half of the posts you make on here are just nonsensical ramblings attacking every aspect of the man's career.

[sonnyboyx2]

Seek help. It's disturbing someone could come up with that much writing on an internet forum, solely to discredit one man, who he has never met nor ever been affected by.

I don't even know what point you are trying to make, you just really hate Lewis, and it seems like more than half of the posts you make on here are just nonsensical ramblings attacking every aspect of the man's career.

prove what i am saying is wrong....