The Greatness of Joe Frazier and an example of when the lineal was needed and came to the rescue of boxing

[billeau2]

I don't need to contact TBRB. I'm just pointing out that they didn't accept Wlad vs Chagaev as a lineal title fight. That's the problem with imaginary titles. They are based on subjective opinions, not objective facts.

Translation: "Im closing my eyes now!!! The lineal does not exist! wa wa!" You don't need to do anything! Just continue the nonsense and exersize your right not to research facts...

[kafkod]

Marg is in the minority on this one. But even he concedes certain points while disagreeing about others. His point is that the Lineal was corrupted, which causes him to question it in the first place, as I post this we are back and fourth on the connection to traditions... and yes he still disagrees but at least understands the arguments. I am a lot closer to reaching a point of compromise with someone who does not simply parrot that something does not exist. I cannot speak for Marg's opinion but I can say he understands and is evaluating my arguments.

Meanwhile, virtually all the other senior members feel that the Lineal exists except the thread drunk Queenie... Puts you in great company as he may have worse reading comp than you do!

I don't believe you understand March's opinion any more than you understand mine. .

[Willie Pep 229]

It tells me that, as i said earlier. lineal titles are a marketing tool used to sell fights.

Spinks was a massive underdog vs Tyson. I'm sure that, going by how scared he looked in the ring pre-fight, even Spinks himself knew he didn't have a cat in hell's chance of winning. I think he probably asked for a King's ransom to sell his mythical title to the promoters of the fight, and making it a PPV was the only way give him what he was asking for.

OK let's say all that is true.

The fact that it was on PPV and not HBO regular subscription tells you that the fans saw more value in the lineal title than they did in the "undisputed" HBO marketing scheme.

We are arguing whether there is legitimacy to the lineal title. This shows there is because it was where the fans wanted to spend their money. Not on the Berbick, Tucker, Smith trilogy. Even HBO recognized that the lineal title fight was more important.

There was no scam involved. Pointing out Spinks' weakness is a disingenuous argument. Spinks' likely loss was no different than Patterson to Liston or Bradock to Louis. But we still wanted those fights.

[kafkod]

Translation: "Im closing my eyes now!!! The lineal does not exist! wa wa!" You don't need to do anything! Just continue the nonsense and exersize your right not to research facts...

Spell check: exercise. You're welcome!

[kafkod]

OK let's say all that is true.

The fact that it was on PPV and not HBO regular subscription tells you that the fans saw more value in the lineal title than they did in the "undisputed" HBO marketing scheme.

We are arguing whether there is legitimacy to the lineal title. This shows there is because it was where the fans wanted to spend their money. Not on the Berbick, Tucker, Smith trilogy. Even HBO recognized that the lineal title fight was more important.

There was no scam involved. Pointing out Spinks' weakness is a disingenuous argument. Spinks' likely loss was no different than Patterson to Liston or Bradock to Louis. But we still wanted those fights.

The point I was making about this fight in the first place was that the vast majority of boxing fans all over the world recognised Mike Tyson as the HW champ, even before he beat Spinks. In other words, Spinks was the imaginary lineal champion, but Iron Mike was the real champion, and the people's champion.

[JAB5239]

I don't need to contact TBRB. I'm just pointing out that they didn't accept Wlad vs Chagaev as a lineal title fight. That's the problem with imaginary titles. They are based on subjective opinions, not objective facts.

Holding a cartoon belt you have to pay for is based off subjective opinion. I don't see your point. It doesn't matter anyway, you're in most likelihood not going to change my mind or the minds of others. Myself and other don't need an ABC org to tell us what to believe and who is the champion. Following the lineal path does that for us. One champion.....that's it per division. Not 8 different world champions per division which is absolutely ridiculous.

[JAB5239]

OK let's say all that is true.

The fact that it was on PPV and not HBO regular subscription tells you that the fans saw more value in the lineal title than they did in the "undisputed" HBO marketing scheme.

We are arguing whether there is legitimacy to the lineal title. This shows there is because it was where the fans wanted to spend their money. Not on the Berbick, Tucker, Smith trilogy. Even HBO recognized that the lineal title fight was more important.

There was no scam involved. Pointing out Spinks' weakness is a disingenuous argument. Spinks' likely loss was no different than Patterson to Liston or Bradock to Louis. But we still wanted those fights.

All lineal championship fights at that. It was the best vs the best, and if you wanted to say it wasn't it was at the very least the best vs the man who beat the man.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't need to contact TBRB. I'm just pointing out that they didn't accept Wlad vs Chagaev as a lineal title fight. That's the problem with imaginary titles. They are based on subjective opinions, not objective facts.

- - WBA wouldn't recognize Wlad as a title fight as I recall even though Chagaev was their in between Valuev multi years undefeated defenses champion which was ultimately how David Haye held the belt.

Ridicules to argue about corrupt stuff like this when DKing team up with the Orgs for what would be comedy if so many fighters weren't getting ripped off...

[JAB5239]

- - WBA wouldn't recognize Wlad as a title fight as I recall even though Chagaev was their in between Valuev multi years undefeated defenses champion which was ultimately how David Haye held the belt.

Ridicules to argue about corrupt stuff like this when DKing team up with the Orgs for what would be comedy if so many fighters weren't getting ripped off...

Chageav at that point was the WBA champion in recess, whatever the hell that means. Valuev the regular champion.....the confusion continues. Wlad was the best heavyweight in the world at that point and not even ranked by the WBA at the end of 2008. Pathetic, but hey let's just throw lineal to the wayside. No WBA title on the line says a lot about ABC orgs, doesn't it?

[QueensburyRules]

Chageav at that point was the WBA champion in recess, whatever the hell that means. Valuev the regular champion.....the confusion continues. Wlad was the best heavyweight in the world at that point and not even ranked by the WBA at the end of 2008. Pathetic, but hey let's just throw lineal to the wayside. No WBA title on the line says a lot about ABC orgs, doesn't it?

- - Biggest title fight in Boxing history by the $$$ and PPVs, Manny vs l'l floydy, and they couldn't handle the broadcasting without collapsing thousands, perhaps in 10s of thousand viewers who ended up filing the largest boxing lawsuit ever.

I was one of the first subscribers to DAZN who never panned out thanks to boxing's lowly rank. If a fight ain't on youtube, I ain't gonna be watching...