Foreman v Frazier and Norton.

[Anomalocaris]

They were two of the most impressive KO performances in HW history to that date, especially Frazier. Foreman looked as close to unbeatable as you could be.

Sonny Liston looked the same way 10 years prior after he flattened Patterson twice, funnily enough.

It took the GOAT at his very best to beat them.

Two living human monsters.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol, what ever you say. Come back when you have some proof. Even George admits he was beaten fair and square. Ut you go on with your crazy conspiracy theories.

- - George never spoke to Sadler again. He also fired Archie who was later able to convince George he had nothing to do with the drugging...yeah!!!

[JAB5239]

- - George never spoke to Sadler again. He also fired Archie who was later able to convince George he had nothing to do with the drugging...yeah!!!

What drugging? This is a made up conspiracy theory with absolutely no proof behind it. Funny that if Foreman says he was scared to fight Tony Tucker you refuse to believe that. But when he claims something after losing you take it on blind faith. Like I said, just like with Wlad and Brewster, there is zero evidence. George got suckered into punching himself out in the extreme heat of Zaire. There as as much evidence that Foreman and Saddler parted ways because Saddler told Foreman the loss was his own fault for punching himself out as there is of any doping. If not, show me something concrete.....not the ramblings of a crazy drunk.

[IronDanHamza]

It took the GOAT at his very best to beat them.

Two living human monsters.

To have those wins, as a massive underdog, to the point people were worried of his life, both times, 10 years apart. Is Rocky film stuff.

I'm not a fan of Ali myself personally, but no one will ever replicate that I don't believe. Just those two wins alone, let alone the rest of his iconic career. Just those two wins alone put him into immortality.

It's crazy isn't it because of those 3 fighters, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, for me Liston and Foreman are so much more scary, ruthless, and just I don't know, dangerous.

But yet Frazier was the one of the three to beat Ali and beat him up quite badly, and beat him. That's the beauty of boxing isn't it, styles makes fights, and you truly never actually know what's going to happen when two men put on gloves and step in the ring and fight.

[Anomalocaris]

To have those wins, as a massive underdog, to the point people were worried of his life, both times, 10 years apart. Is Rocky film stuff.

I'm not a fan of Ali myself personally, but no one will ever replicate that I don't believe. Just those two wins alone, let alone the rest of his iconic career. Just those two wins alone put him into immortality.

It's crazy isn't it because of those 3 fighters, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, for me Liston and Foreman are so much more scary, ruthless, and just I don't know, dangerous.

But yet Frazier was the one of the three to beat Ali and beat him up quite badly, and beat him. That's the beauty of boxing isn't it, styles makes fights, and you truly never actually know what's going to happen when two men put on gloves and step in the ring and fight.

Indeed, styles do make fights.

[billeau2]

Indeed, styles do make fights.

Not according to the Queen B: Fights are determined by a variety of conspiracies, with drugged water bottles, etc. ..

[billeau2]

- - Not to anyone still in their Barney Big Boys who swallow mainstream Boxing Garbage experts.

As I mentioned, I didn't see the fight because I was deep in West Texas then, so while surprised then, I figured it was one of those things and dismissed it.

When I first saw it on Espn with Big George as a guest, I immediately jumped up and shouted Foreman was drugged. I found out much later that George Plimpton shouted out that the fight was fixed, and much later in George's first bio that Sadler had given him a flask of water after drying out for the fight, the first time such a thing occurred.

He got in at least one big swallow if not 2 before spitting the rest out.

Then the 10 count had Foreman on his feet at the 9 sec mark when the 57 year old Clayton waved his arms.

A Brit Boxing expert interviewed Ali after the bout, and he was darkly mottled instead of his joyful self. Moreover without prompting he seemed to be begging the Brit to see he won the fight.

No joy by Ali in Mudville that horrific night as the Heavens minutes later dumped a flood on the fight that chased everyone away to shelter.

Nor did I see Ali/Frazier 1 immediately for the same reason and believed Ali propaganda that he was robbed because I'd seen both early in their careers that clearly favored Ali.

Clearly Joe beat the Tarballs out of Ali when I did see it that made me forever a Joe fan.

You can deny the facts as you chose, but when I was afforded the footage and back stories, Ali did not win the fight had I been Clayton, but thankfully Joe's judges got it right.

Plimpton as a source? Are you nuts? Musta been one heck of a drug... So if George was that bad after two sips, can we assume if he was thirsty and drank the bottle he would have fallen asleep in the ring? Makes no sense! Like your crazy conspiracy theories!!! And as Judge Judy says : "If it does not make sense it is probally not true." You kumquat!

[JAB5239]

Plimpton as a source? Are you nuts? Musta been one heck of a drug... So if George was that bad after two sips, can we assume if he was thirsty and drank the bottle he would have fallen asleep in the ring? Makes no sense! Like your crazy conspiracy theories!!! And as Judge Judy says : "If it does not make sense it is probally not true." You kumquat!

Unless it's Pryor and Panama Lewis. No proof it didn't happen there, even though Panama had a history of cheating.

[Willie Pep 229]

D ick Sadler was George Foreman’s trainer and chief second during the Rumble in the Jungle. He had worked with Foreman for years, including his rise to the heavyweight championship. However, after Foreman’s loss to Ali, Foreman blamed Sadler (along with Archie Moore) for mishandling his training and preparation.

There were rumors and speculation that Sadler had connections to Ali’s camp, or at least wasn’t fully committed to Foreman’s success in Zaire. Foreman himself has suggested that he felt betrayed by some members of his team. However, there is no concrete evidence that Sadler directly went to work for Ali after the fight—only that he and Foreman parted ways.

[JAB5239]

D ick Sadler was George Foreman’s trainer and chief second during the Rumble in the Jungle. He had worked with Foreman for years, including his rise to the heavyweight championship. However, after Foreman’s loss to Ali, Foreman blamed Sadler (along with Archie Moore) for mishandling his training and preparation.

There were rumors and speculation that Sadler had connections to Ali’s camp, or at least wasn’t fully committed to Foreman’s success in Zaire. Foreman himself has suggested that he felt betrayed by some members of his team. However, there is no concrete evidence that Sadler directly went to work for Ali after the fight—only that he and Foreman parted ways.

Sounds pretty reasonable. Not farfetched at all. Not the first time this has happened between a boxer and his trainer, nor will it be the last.