I might be wrong is suggesting this

[BKM-]

you know what is so funny? King's story is fascinating: Like a roach with the brainpower and hustling IQ of the first percentile... When he ran his numbers racket in Cleveland, in what was one of, if not the most dangerous city at the time... a city where the preferred method of killing was to blow up the entire area where your enemy was located... King stayed right in the middle as a two bigger factions were killing everyone and taking their hustle... King found a way to survive long enough to see both factions obliterate each other! You cannot make this sht up... King survived threats, attempts to kill him, the law... so when it came to dealing with fighters? It was the proverbial taking candy from a baby. That bstrd will outlive even Arum...

I would pass a PHD thesis that came to the conclusion that the health and wealth of Arum and King prove Kierkegaard's lose of faith, and the theory there is no God.

Those two are indeed the George Soro's of sports, and probably prove wrong atleast the notion of karma. Because the most evil persons in the world with the biggest crimes seem to be very old men who will probably go out peacefully like Dr. Mengele.

[QueensburyRules]

"Tubby Lar" as some of you call him probably should've lost to Tim Witherspoon & Carl Williams & had a shorter reign.

There were some legitimately talented dudes in the '80s, but most of them got hooked on c0ke & Mike Tyson demolished the rest of them. zz0.yo9ctyrpzpszz

- - Tyson Crucified Tubby Lar who had been publicly stalking Tyson for a year using the media to make his profanely insulting title challenges.

All while training at his personal gym just to beat Tyson.

!!!Epic Tubby Lar FAIL!!!

[Marchegiano]

I'm not entirely clear as to why, as a fan, I am meant to hate Don King. He did get some of the greatest fights made. All I really know about the guy is people say he screwed his fighters out of a lot of money.

Generally speaking, it seems to me fans are too forgiving of fighter business tactics. You can call it a business not a sport all day long but it is, was, and always will be a sport. Who exactly made it into a sport with so many business aspects to it? I just ranted and raved a few days ago about Larry and Lennox's input on boxing and how great that's been. And if we look at the time before promoters, we see champions literally holding their belts ransom.

We hate promoters, bodies, and broadcasters for what they do to boxing while fighters get a free pass and total control of opinions. Who are we to say what is the value or cut of the man who gets these fights done?

I'm just saying, I don't know the details so I would easily accept being wrong, but on the outside it doesn't seem like fans should hate Don King. Maybe it's fair for the fighters but he did use them for our entertainment and why should we care who got the best end of those deals? Or if we only got those fights because he lied to people to get them?

[billeau2]

I'm not entirely clear as to why, as a fan, I am meant to hate Don King. He did get some of the greatest fights made. All I really know about the guy is people say he screwed his fighters out of a lot of money.

Generally speaking, it seems to me fans are too forgiving of fighter business tactics. You can call it a business not a sport all day long but it is, was, and always will be a sport. Who exactly made it into a sport with so many business aspects to it? I just ranted and raved a few days ago about Larry and Lennox's input on boxing and how great that's been. And if we look at the time before promoters, we see champions literally holding their belts ransom.

We hate promoters, bodies, and broadcasters for what they do to boxing while fighters get a free pass and total control of opinions. Who are we to say what is the value or cut of the man who gets these fights done?

I'm just saying, I don't know the details so I would easily accept being wrong, but on the outside it doesn't seem like fans should hate Don King. Maybe it's fair for the fighters but he did use them for our entertainment and why should we care who got the best end of those deals? Or if we only got those fights because he lied to people to get them?

You know Marge... In a simplified universe one can certainly hate Don king. But to say he was not a true specimen regarding survival of the fittest, to say he did not put on incredibly good fight cards, would be wrong. It just is so that ethically he was horrible. He saw a mark and he exploited it to the fullest without any regard for the consequences on those used as a means to an end.

[Willie Pep 229]

You know Marge... In a simplified universe one can certainly hate Don king. But to say he was not a true specimen regarding survival of the fittest, to say he did not put on incredibly good fight cards, would be wrong. It just is so that ethically he was horrible. He saw a mark and he exploited it to the fullest without any regard for the consequences on those used as a means to an end.

Dan Duva paid Livingstone Bramble $650,000 for his rematch with Mancini (with Mancini receiving parity, which angered the champion Bramble).

Bramble got all of his $650,000.

Bramble jumped to Don King, and King promised Bramble one million for Rosario.

Bramble only got $800,000 and sued (and lost) trying to get the other $200,000 from King.

Who ripped off Bramble, Duva or King? LOL

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[billeau2]

Dan Duva paid Livingstone Bramble $650,000 for his rematch with Mancini (with Mancini receiving parity, which angered the champion Bramble).

Bramble got all of his $650,000.

Bramble jumped to Don King, and King promised Bramble one million for Rosario.

Bramble only got $800,000 and sued (and lost) trying to get the other $200,000 from King.

Who ripped off Bramble, Duva or King? LOL

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

yes they are no choir boys agreed

[Dr Z]

But was Larry Holmes' title reign so long because the division was weak. I am not saying Larry Holmes was not tremendously talented, but is he a little over rated by a weak heavyweight era?

With wins over Cooney, Witherspoon and Smith in 1982,1983 , and 1984. ( top contenders of champions ) I do not think it was too long per say. Age at 35 and the right opponent beat Holmes vs. Spinks but he for sure won the re-match!

The era was diminished by drug use, but not so weak. Holmes began to slip a little by 1984 and more so in 1985. He was a very active champion with no Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis like upsets.