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  • #21
    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

    Very nice.......but WHY ARE Young Corbett III and Billy Conn getting no middleweight love? Wins over Walker, Conn, Lesnivich, Brouilard, Apostoli, Jackie Burke, Ceferino Garcia.......why isn't Corbett III getting any recognition?? I am genuinely curious about this. I don't have a ton of knowledge on the man, but his resume speaks for itself.
    It gets a little dicey when classifying a fighter within a single weight class; when the fighters only won a world title in another class. This is especially true back when there were so many fewer titles to be had, and chasing multiple titles was so much more difficult. Raffaele Giordano (Young Corbett III), Billy Conn and Gene Tunney are examples of boxers who did HOF level work in a division other than the one they immortalized themselves as world champions in. Wrote or wrong, I'll always think of Corbett III as a great Welterweight, Conn as a great Light Heavyweight and Tunney as a great Heavyweight. But I'm just another schmo, posting my faves. It's just method.
    Last edited by Willow The Wisp; 10-30-2024, 02:14 PM.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by Biledriver View Post

      Ok, here's my old list (late 2000s), I'm Old-School 8 so this list is middleweights and junior-middleweights. If I was making the list today, I'd probably push Burley and Greb ahead of Ketchel and Hopkins, maybe Lamotta, Monson, and Zale too.

      ATGs

      01. Ray Robinson
      02. Bob Fitzsimmons
      03. Sam Langford
      04. Marvin Hagler
      05. Stanley Ketchel
      06. Bernard Hopkins
      07. Charley Burley
      08. Harry Greb
      09. Jake LaMotta
      10. Carlos Monzon
      11. Tony Zale
      12. Panama Joe Gans
      13. Marcel Cerdan
      14. Les Darcy
      15. Mike Gibbons
      16. Holman Williams
      17. Mickey Walker
      18. James Toney
      19. Mike McCallum
      20. Tommy Burns
      21. Freddie Steele
      22. Non Periel Jack Dempsey
      23. Nino Benvenuti


      Some Near Greats (Alphabetical Order)

      George Abrams
      Freddie Apostoli
      Joey Archer
      Nigel Benn
      George Benton
      Bennie Brisco
      Lou Brouillard
      Hank Casey
      Cyrille Delanoit
      Vince Dundee
      Tiger Flowers
      Gene Fullmer
      Joey Giambra
      Joey Giardello
      Bert Lytell
      Gerald McClellan
      Terry Norris
      Mike O'Dowd
      Ken Overlin
      Billy Papke
      Dave Sands
      Harry Smith
      Jeff Smith
      Jermain Taylor
      Randy Turpin
      Rodrigo Valdez
      Teddy Yarosz
      Winky Wright​
      Les Darcy is a great pick.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

        Very nice.......but WHY ARE Young Corbett III and Billy Conn getting no middleweight love? Wins over Walker, Conn, Lesnivich, Brouilard, Apostoli, Jackie Burke, Ceferino Garcia.......why isn't Corbett III getting any recognition?? I am genuinely curious about this. I don't have a ton of knowledge on the man, but his resume speaks for itself.
        I have Young Corbett III as a near-great on my welterweight list. I have Billy Conn rated #7 on my light-heavyweight list. Di ck Tiger I have as a near-great on the light-heavyweight list. With the sole exception of Ray Robinson (as the p4p GOAT he gets a special exemption) I don't rate fighters on more than one list, I rate them in the weight class I feel they were at their best.

        Biledriver
        Last edited by Biledriver; 10-30-2024, 05:25 PM.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Biledriver View Post

          I have Young Corbett III as a near-great on my welterweight list. I have Billy Conn rated #7 on my light-heavyweight list. **** Tiger I have as a near-great on the light-heavyweight list. With the sole exception of Ray Robinson (as the p4p GOAT he gets a special exemption) I don't rate fighters on more than one list, I rate them in the weight class I feel they were at their best.

          Biledriver[/COLOR]
          Surely Tiger belongs on a Middleweight list as opposed to a Light Heavyweight list?

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

            Les Darcy is a great pick.
            Was thinking the same thing. He's another fighter that gets little recognition. There use to be a poster on here with the user name McGoorty who would post some great information on Darcy. Ironically Les beat Eddie McGooty on a couple of occasions, McGoorty being another very good fighter.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
              I think the vast majority would agree Greb, Robinson, Monzon and Hagler are the Mount Rushmore of middleweight greats. Does Bernard Hopkins have a claim to being rated fifth? The IBRO has him 8th. Is there an argument he should be rated above Mickey Walker, Bob Fitzsimmons or Stanley Ketchel at Middleweight?
              I would put Nino Benvenuti over Hopkins. His two wins over Griffith, his 64 straight victorys at Jr. MW, his defenses against seven of the top ten Ring Ranked fighters during his MW rein, and his 12 hard rounds with Monzon showed me much more than Hopkins ever did.
              Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 10-30-2024, 03:10 PM.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                I would put Nino Benvenuti over Hopkins. His two wins over Griffith, his 64 straight victorys at Jr. MW, his defenses against seven of the top ten Ring Ranked fighters during his MW rein, and his 12 hard rounds with Monzon showed me much more than Hopkins ever did.
                If I counted correctly it appears Hopkins has 12 of his 20 succesful defenses against Ring rated top 10 fighters. I did include Jermain Taylor who he lost against. Mind you I'm not disagreeing with you, only playing devil's advocate.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                  Surely Tiger belongs on a Middleweight list as opposed to a Light Heavyweight list?
                  He held the light-heavy title longer. Three years as opposed to parts of two over two reigns.

                  Biledriver
                  Last edited by Biledriver; 10-30-2024, 05:27 PM.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Biledriver View Post

                    He held the light-heavy title longer. Three years as opposed to parts of two over two reigns.
                    That's out of context semantics though, isn't it?

                    The vast majority of his career was at Middleweight, and obviously **** Tiger's Middleweight resume outweighs his Light Heavyweight resume.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                      That's out of context semantics though, isn't it?

                      The vast majority of his career was at Middleweight, and obviously **** Tiger's Middleweight resume outweighs his Light Heavyweight resume.
                      It's not obvious to me, especially since his middleweight resume is mostly no-names fighting in the minor leagues.

                      Biledriver

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