Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd beat faded HOF'ers, never beat an elite level fighter at their best. He got at least 3 gift decisions in his career (Castillo I, DLH, Maidana I) and the Pac fight should have been a draw. He cherry-picked his way through his career while ducking so many prime challengers.

Canelo and Pacquiao have challenged themselves as they have gotten older, something Floyd didn't do.

[travestyny]

Canelo and Pacquiao have challenged themselves as they have gotten older, something Floyd didn't do.

But he beat both their asses


If Pacquaio was still "The Great" Manny Pacquiao when he beat Thurman, then Mayweather deserves credit for giving him that L.

[IronDanHamza]

But he beat both their asses


If Pacquaio was still "The Great" Manny Pacquiao when he beat Thurman, then Mayweather deserves credit for giving him that L.

Genuinely no point even conversing there.

Little guy lives so far from reality it's painful.

[billeau2]

Floyd beat faded HOF'ers, never beat an elite level fighter at their best. He got at least 3 gift decisions in his career (Castillo I, DLH, Maidana I) and the Pac fight should have been a draw. He cherry-picked his way through his career while ducking so many prime challengers.

Canelo and Pacquiao have challenged themselves as they have gotten older, something Floyd didn't do.

That is really my issue... Although I think Floyd's "gift decisions" were not in abundance compared to other fighters... I mean the Canelo Trout fight for example... The Pac fight imo made an interesting statement because neither guy really took any great risks, and for all practical purposes it was a draw. To Floyd's credit when Pac tried a bit was when he had his moments, but he never really tried to show he was better than Pac. Pac probably realized that he would be taking a real risk if he went after Floyd... I hate to keep saying it but this fight to me demonstrates the need for 15 rounds... we need those rounds of attrition!

[billeau2]

But he beat both their asses


If Pacquaio was still "The Great" Manny Pacquiao when he beat Thurman, then Mayweather deserves credit for giving him that L.

Floyd won the decision against Pac... and deserves the W. With the caveat that it probably could have been scored either way, or at least, that it was close on the cards. I don't have a problem with the decision but calling it a "whoopin?"

To say Floyd won that fight is true and fair, to say he "beat Pacquiao" in any way but marginally? I do not think so.

[travestyny]

Floyd won the decision against Pac... and deserves the W. With the caveat that it probably could have been scored either way, or at least, that it was close on the cards. I don't have a problem with the decision but calling it a "whoopin?"

To say Floyd won that fight is true and fair, to say he "beat Pacquiao" in any way but marginally? I do not think so.

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

Scores were 116-112 twice and 118-110. It wasn't a difficult fight to score as there was a clear winner in my opinion. He exposed Pacquaio's difficulty cutting off the ring, poor defense against check hooks, and disability to block straight right hands.

Max Kellerman, who always comes across as a huge Pac fan, described the fight as "A little too one sided."

[billeau2]

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

Scores were 116-112 twice and 118-110. It wasn't a difficult fight to score as there was a clear winner in my opinion. He exposed Pacquaio's difficulty cutting off the ring, poor defense against check hooks, and disability to block straight right hands.

I would take your comments about specific reasons seriously. I would not unconditionally take the judges scorecards seriously. I also saw Pac with his moments, good solid body attacks, some of which should have won a round, or so... A lot of people did find it tough to score... I however do believe that there is a logic to giving the fight to Mayweather so I am in agreement with the caveat, I think a closer scorecard was warranted.

A lot of times scoring revolves around what the judges see and do not see... While I would welcome more standerdized scoring, another issue entirely, I can see a judge patterning their scoring along certain lines... I mean technically? We can hardly know when a punch lands on a great defensive fighter, the hand is much quicker than the eye... I have seen Floyd, in replays just move away from a shot that would look like it hit... Ditto for some other great defensive fighters...

My point being: Despite my opinion I would not classify this decision as bad.

[IronDanHamza]

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

Scores were 116-112 twice and 118-110. It wasn't a difficult fight to score as there was a clear winner in my opinion. He exposed Pacquaio's difficulty cutting off the ring, poor defense against check hooks, and disability to block straight right hands.

Max Kellerman, who always comes across as a huge Pac fan, described the fight as "A little too one sided."

I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could have that fight even remotely close.

Floyd had some close fights, that definitely wasn't one of them.

[GhostofDempsey]

That is really my issue... Although I think Floyd's "gift decisions" were not in abundance compared to other fighters... I mean the Canelo Trout fight for example... The Pac fight imo made an interesting statement because neither guy really took any great risks, and for all practical purposes it was a draw. To Floyd's credit when Pac tried a bit was when he had his moments, but he never really tried to show he was better than Pac. Pac probably realized that he would be taking a real risk if he went after Floyd... I hate to keep saying it but this fight to me demonstrates the need for 15 rounds... we need those rounds of attrition!

We also have to remember Pacquiao's shoulder injured prior to the fight. He requested a shot which was denied. After the 4th round he couldn't throw that right with any conviction. Despite all of that, Floyd clinched, ran and jabbed his way to a boring win that proved nothing. He admits he marinated the fight for five years, so blame for not making it sooner clearly lies with him. He insisted he deserved credit for being "smart" by prolonging the fight for over five years. He never would have insisted on drug testing had he not seen something special in Manny that he feared.

Manny's win over Thurman at age 40+ demonstrated he was never afraid of Floyd. Manny fought rematches with opponents who took him to hell and back, no way he'd be afraid of a guy who throws 30 punchers per round and is content to win boring decisions.

It's pathetic to watch Floyd's fangirls suggest that any win achieved by Manny or Canelo is a win for Floyd. That is b!tch logic, LOL.

[travestyny]

I would take your comments about specific reasons seriously. I would not unconditionally take the judges scorecards seriously. I also saw Pac with his moments, good solid body attacks, some of which should have won a round, or so... A lot of people did find it tough to score... I however do believe that there is a logic to giving the fight to Mayweather so I am in agreement with the caveat, I think a closer scorecard was warranted.

A lot of times scoring revolves around what the judges see and do not see... While I would welcome more standerdized scoring, another issue entirely, I can see a judge patterning their scoring along certain lines... I mean technically? We can hardly know when a punch lands on a great defensive fighter, the hand is much quicker than the eye... I have seen Floyd, in replays just move away from a shot that would look like it hit... Ditto for some other great defensive fighters...

My point being: Despite my opinion I would not classify this decision as bad.

I think it's a product of the rounds being close. I think Mayweather was picking up the rounds but it's not like he was blowing Pac away in the rounds. And to me it felt like as the fight went on, Mayweather was becoming more settled in his technical advantages and Pacquaio wasn't showing any adjustments. So it was perhaps an easy decision but a close fight, that I personally felt would have just gotten wider with more rounds since Pac couldn't adjust to Floyd's technique.