Michael Moorer top 20 all time heavyweight scenario

[JAB5239]

Would Micheal Moorer be considered an all time top 20 heavyweight if he retired after beating Holyfield for the Heavyweight championship?

[The D3vil]

Would Micheal Moorer be considered an all time top 20 heavyweight if he retired after beating Holyfield for the Heavyweight championship?

No.

There's no scenario in which Michael Moorer is top 20 lf all-time at heavy.

There's 3 ways to become a ATG from what I've perceived.

1. DESTROY everybody (ala Tyson or Sonny Liston)

2. Beat a bunch of great fighters (ala Ali or Lennox Lewis)

3. Have a LONG reign with a bunch of title defenses (ala Joe Louis or Vlad Klitschko)

He didn't fit any of those criteria.

[JAB5239]

No.

There's no scenario in which Michael Moorer is top 20 lf all-time at heavy.

There's 3 ways to become a ATG from what I've perceived.

1. DESTROY everybody (ala Tyson or Sonny Liston)

2. Beat a bunch of great fighters (ala Ali or Lennox Lewis)

3. Have a LONG reign with a bunch of title defenses (ala Joe Louis or Vlad Klitschko)

He didn't fit any of those criteria.

But he is seen as a great lightheavyweight that was avoided by the best fighter that division had at the time. Had he retired after beating prime Evander there is no scenario that could propel him into the top 20 as an undefeated fighter and heavyweight champion?

[QueensburyRules]

- - No…

[JAB5239]

- - No…

Than why does Gene Tunney make so many top 20, if not top 10 lists?

[Willow The Wisp]

Than why does Gene Tunney make so many top 20, if not top 10 lists?

Because Tunney beat Dempsey twice.
Because Tunney beat a boatload of great fighters.
Because of the many heavyweights whom Happy Greb wipped, and Tunney was his master.
Because less than 19 persons have ever lived who the majority of experts would pick over Tunney over 15 rounds.
Because strenuous analysis of body of work, resume, historical impact and recorded images all place Tunney as a top 20 heavyweight.

[JAB5239]

Because Tunney beat Dempsey twice.
Because Tunney beat a boatload of great fighters.
Because of the many heavyweights whom Happy Greb wipped, and Tunney was his master.
Because less than 19 persons have ever lived who the majority of experts would pick over Tunney over 15 rounds.
Because strenuous analysis of body of work, resume, historical impact and recorded images all place Tunney as a top 20 heavyweight.

Tunney was not Greb's master. Most reports have them splitting 2-2-1. All but the first (Greb win) and last (Tunney win) closely contested. But that is beside the point because triangle theories don't work. If they did you would have to take into account Holyfields two wins over Tyson. Because he beat Tyson doesn't mean Moorer would and should not be credited as such. I think Tunney is an all time great lightheavy, but his body of work at heavyweight in my opinion doesn't make him an all time great at that weight. If it does than surely Moorer deserves consideration. And mind you, I don't believe Moorer is or deserves a top 20 all time ranking either even if he did retire after beating Evander, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[QueensburyRules]

Than why does Gene Tunney make so many top 20, if not top 10 lists?

- - Y U ask?

Stoooopid?

[Tatabanya]

Because Tunney beat Dempsey twice.
Because Tunney beat a boatload of great fighters.
Because of the many heavyweights whom Happy Greb wipped, and Tunney was his master.
Because less than 19 persons have ever lived who the majority of experts would pick over Tunney over 15 rounds.
Because strenuous analysis of body of work, resume, historical impact and recorded images all place Tunney as a top 20 heavyweight.

Because Tunney was never knocked out cold by a 45-year old man.

[JAB5239]

- - Y U ask?

Stoooopid?

As ****** as saying Usyk has been a Heavyweight for 12 years?