Did Foreman avoid Holmes?

[Dr. Z]

Now that wasn't the question, was it? All time top 20 heavyweights is where this started and where I asked for your list. Again, am I lying? Your credibility is on the line here. Post your top 20 or be gone. You have no reason not to if you're confident in your picks.

Always moving the bar. I posted 105 names, and ranked them fairly in eras. That's way harder then listing just 20 names. Your are a lying clown and won't answer my questions.

IF you NEED to feel good Pinocchio ( do not deny your nose is long and growing ), use my era with its rankings. There are plenty of names in each of them.

[JAB5239]

Always moving the bar. I posted 105 names, and ranked them fairly in eras. That's way harder then listing just 20 names. Your are a lying clown and won't answer my questions.

IF you NEED to feel good Pinocchio ( do not deny your nose is long and growing ), use my era with its rankings. There are plenty of names in each of them.

All I read was you're afraid to post your own top 20 list. Posting a list of best fighters from each era takes work. Kudos to you. But that isn't what we were talking about, was it? Am I lying? Is my credibility on the line here? Am I the one moving the bar, or is it you doing everything you can to avoid posting your list of the 20 greatest heavyweights all time? All because you want to degrade Jack Johnsons place in history. Funny thing is, I'd entertain that debate with you if we were on an even playing field. All that takes is posting your own list.

[Dr. Z]

All I read was you're afraid to post your own top 20 list. Posting a list of best fighters from each era takes work. Kudos to you. But that isn't what we were talking about, was it? Am I lying? Is my credibility on the line here? Am I the one moving the bar, or is it you doing everything you can to avoid posting your list of the 20 greatest heavyweights all time? All because you want to degrade Jack Johnsons place in history. Funny thing is, I'd entertain that debate with you if we were on an even playing field. All that takes is posting your own list.

I still don't have answers to questions. Answer them and I will project a top 20 list from 1880 to current just for you. Deal?

NOW, my questions which you have avoided for over a week. I want you thoughts not some else's.

Why is Jack Johnson your top five? He lost vs. mature men in Klon***e, Griffin, , Choyski, and Hart. He lost to the best person he faced in his lineal title matches in Willard, did not give a title match to the best 3-5 men around ( Langford, Jeannette, McVey, McCarthy, and Smith ) and drew a lot. Yet he is in you top 5? Please explain this to me in detail.

Where would you place Usyk if he retried tomorrow? In your top 20?

Liston's resume of wins lesser than many people that you rate below him and he barley defend his title. So few title defense and a lower quality of wins, why is he rated this high? Please explain in detail.

I seldom see Tyson rated above Holyfield who beat him twice. Why do you do it? Holyfield did far better vs. opponents that Tyson and he fought. Lewis, and Douglas for example. Please explain this to me, in detail.

[JAB5239]

I still don't have answers to questions. Answer them and I will project a top 20 list from 1880 to current just for you. Deal?

NOW, my questions which you have avoided for over a week. I want you thoughts not some else's.

Why is Jack Johnson your top five? He lost vs. mature men in Klon***e, Griffin, , Choyski, and Hart. He lost to the best person he faced in his lineal title matches in Willard, did not give a title match to the best 3-5 men around ( Langford, Jeannette, McVey, McCarthy, and Smith ) and drew a lot. Yet he is in you top 5? Please explain this to me in detail.

Where would you place Usyk if he retried tomorrow? In your top 20?

Liston's resume of wins lesser than many people that you rate below him and he barley defend his title. So few title defense and a lower quality of wins, why is he rated this high? Please explain in detail.

I seldom see Tyson rated above Holyfield who beat him twice. Why do you do it? Holyfield did far better vs. opponents that Tyson and he fought. Lewis, and Douglas for example. Please explain this to me, in detail.

This is the "Did Foreman avoid Holmes" thread. Go to the "My top 20 all time heavyweights " thread and post your own top 20 and we'll talk. If you're looking for a fair debate on an even playing field this shouldn't be a problem.

[Dr. Z]

This is the "Did Foreman avoid Holmes" thread. Go to the "My top 20 all time heavyweights " thread and post your own top 20 and we'll talk. If you're looking for a fair debate on an even playing field this shouldn't be a problem.

I did post my question there a few times. Run rabbit run. OK I will re-post what I said there.

You're actually right for a change. This is a Holmes vs. Foreman thread, so why are you asking for my top 20 here?

[JAB5239]

I did post my question there a few times. Run rabbit run. OK I will re-post what I said there.

You're actually right for a change. This is a Holmes vs. Foreman thread, so why are you asking for my top 20 here?

See post #21 where you bring up the other thread. Am I lying?

[JAB5239]

Actually your credibility is ? You better watch yourself man…just saying…we’ll see what’s what don’t be a little ***** bc I’m trying to get me and you a fight …and you’ll see who can fight and whos pretending …

[automaton89]

Holmes claims that he did... I think he's insecure about the fact that George had a better (and harder) jab than him.

[Bronson66]

Actually your credibility is ? You better watch yourself man…just saying…we’ll see what’s what don’t be a little ***** bc I’m trying to get me and you a fight …and you’ll see who can fight and whos pretending …

How old are you?

[Bronson66]

Holmes claims that he did... I think he's insecure about the fact that George had a better (and harder) jab than him.

Foreman did not have a better jab than Holmes,actually I don't think any heavyweight did.