Does Anyone Agree With Teddy Atlas' Latest Take on Mike Tyson?

[Tatabanya]

So, what we do know is both holyfield and Lewis beat a not prime Tyson whilst being not prime themselves. Anything else is just opinion.

Yes. I wrote the same thing in reply to BKM- a few posts above. That's exactly it.

[QueensburyRules]

Kevin Rooney is a HOF trainer? Based on what?

- - What, U French snails don't say nutin' about Cus, Jacobs, and Clayton?

What kinda cruel gruel you was eating in grade school?

[Ivich]

- - What, U French snails don't say nutin' about Cus, Jacobs, and Clayton?

What kinda cruel gruel you was eating in grade school?

Jacobs never trained a boxer in his life.Mickey Duff a close friend of Jacobs ,did a lot of the choosing of opponents for Tyson.

Cayton ,it is Cayton, not Clayton knew about as much about boxing as you do,ie Jack ****!. Atlas did the day to day work with Tyson until ,Tyson went off the rails and Atlas walked. HOF Corner MY ASS!

[Willie Pep 229]

I heard that Gus was the problem with Tyson. He spoiled him turning Tyson's violent ways into entitlement.

Tyson was never disciplined by Gus, he was bought with false affection and a long leash that resulted in Tyson growing into a selfish undisciplined man.

[BKM-]

I heard that Gus was the problem with Tyson. He spoiled him turning Tyson's violent ways into entitlement.

Tyson was never disciplined by Gus, he was bought with false affection and a long lease that resulted in Tyson growing into a selfish undisciplined man.

It didn't help, sure, but Tyson doesn't get to have that excuse(like always). He was an evil person by nature.

Before he ever met Cus he had been arrested many times and committed some brutal violent crimes(and has admitted he got away with some) might have even murdered elderly people. To rob them he punched them as hard as he could knocking them unconcious. Doing that to an elderly person on a hard surface like a street is pretty much instant death.

That is a truly evil person and I don't care if it was done when he was a kid. It's no surprise he would develop these sex crimes against women. Lets say Cus did 'discipline' him. I don't think that would have worked. He would still show his true nature eventually, in and out of the ring. He would have turned on Cus too.

Atlas was the only one who knew how to correct him. Notice Tyson never pulled anything on him ever again? Just like in the ring, when this bully had someone fighting back to him he crumbled.

[QueensburyRules]

- - When Mike was prime wif his HOF team, he set records for youth, unification, and earnings.

Lewis even though a year difference in age was still in 3rd AMA headgear, and Field was literally going life and death with tubby Qawi.

What grade was U in then?

- - Just a reminder for resident fried slug.

1.0 Mike the best heavy in history.

2.0 better than most.

3.0 just a 4rd circus.

[Ivich]

I heard that Gus was the problem with Tyson. He spoiled him turning Tyson's violent ways into entitlement.

Tyson was never disciplined by Gus, he was bought with false affection and a long lease that resulted in Tyson growing into a selfish undisciplined man.

Exactly so!

[Ivich]

- - Just a reminder for resident fried slug.

1.0 Mike the best heavy in history.

2.0 better than most.

3.0 just a 4rd circus.

Still waiting to read a post of your worth my time.I'll say this for you,you're consistant.consistantly crap!

[ShoulderRoll]

- - Not even a decent trainer. Cus tolerated him very short time before kicking him out.

What happened next is him using that abbreviated Tyson/Cus experience to remake himself into a loose screw boxing expert so astute that he ruined every fighter he took on.

Cus used to call Atlas the Young Master. Teddy was in the middle of serving his apprenticeship period under the experienced vet and is surely angry that this was cut short due to Tyson and his own reaction.

Can’t blame him really.

[Willie Pep 229]

I believe the Teddy Atlas story shows that Tyson was being taught entitlement.

When the Tyson-Atlas 'thing' played out it was Atlas who was cut loose, not Tyson reined in. I think it says much about what Gus was willing to tolerate, or to give up, to have the next HW Champion of the World.

A justified failure I supose.

But as BKM says above, maybe it was inevitable and Gus never had a chance. But I question if he was actually trying or selling out.

Here's an interesting question regarding Tyson's nature vs. Gus's influence: Does Don King steal Tyson away if Gus doesn't die?