Did Monzon retire to avoid Hagler?

[Ivich]

Someone feels very ****** right now. I tried to tell him!

Why should I feel ******? the argument was over whether they fought in January 1966 and that post, supplied by Slugfester states that fight was on the 3rd of September 66!

[Ivich]

So you trust the ESB forum, but Not box rec, or wiki??

You have been caught LYING. Lairs tend to get caught eventually. Richard or whomever he is will confirm the truth. Be sure to post your Mea Culpa here, it will redeem you in this case.....sightly.

You lie about things. I never said Dempsey had a rail road spike, I said others accuse him of having metal slipped to him in the ring. Willard found a metal bolt in the ring after the fight and kept is for the rest of his life. Hmmmm.... and Dempsey bolted like a their in the night out it the ring! Hmmm.... Watch this space. Now I hope that is clear to the readers.

Mixing some off tangent facts that have nothing to do with what was said won't save you.

I'm trusting Box Rec,CBZ,Boxing News ,and the Ring Record Book ,on this occasion.
None of which have any record of a January 1966 fight between Monzon and Fernandez ever taking place!
That is the argument and no amount of obfuscation on your part will detour it!
Right now you must feel a little like Donald Trump,with the noose slowly tightening around your neck!lol

BTW there is film of Willard leaving the ring his hands are empty,and he was in no condition to go searching the ring for any metal objects! The so called metal bolt story came for a photo of a cigar butt on the canvas!

You hope your post is clear to readers? If I was you I'd take another look at it! lol
LAIRS.REDEEM YOU SIGHTLY, THEIR IN THE NIGHT OUT IN THE RING .

[Ivich]

You are talking to an idiot and bad lair. Yes, those fights are on Monzon's and Fernadez records. The scoring in one of those matches was close. And I say again, Fernadez scored a knockdown against Monzon. Let the dolt think it did not happen.

What is NOT on either of their records is a fight between them in January1966!

[Dr. Z]

Why should I feel ******? the argument was over whether they fought in January 1966 and that post, supplied by Slugfester states that fight was on the 3rd of September 66!

Monzon was knocked down by Fernandez as I claimed. It's over Tony. Watching you try to wheseal out of this is going to be fun.

[Incapable]

Monzon retired at the age of 35 having beaten the number one contender Valdez twice in his two previous fights.
Monzon announced his retirement in August 1977.

Hagler was not top ten Ring ranked until the end of 1977,when he beat the overated Mike Colbert and took his place in the rankings.Monzon had been retired for several months by then. four men would hold the title after Monzon retired and before Hagler won it.Hagler was never on Monzon's radar.

Colbert was the beneficiary of some crooked rankings during Don King's notorious American Championships which excluded Hagler because the Petronelli's would not give King exclusive rights to promote Hagler's fights.
Colbert's only win over a top ten Ring ranked fighter at that time was a split decision over number 5 ranked Tony Licata whom Monzon had already stopped. His only other career wins over a ranked fighter were over Rudy Robles in79

"Colbert was a middleweight contender during the mid-to-late 1970s, after having won the National AAU Welterweight title in 1968 as an amateur. Colbert participated in the controversial ABC US Championship tournament, that was part of the Ring Magazine Scandal. Colbert was attributed with fictitious wins in the 1977 Ring Record Book, occurring on September 8, November 8, and December 11, 1976. Colbert won both of his bouts in the tournament beating Jackie Smith & Rocky Mosley Jr. before it was cancelled after the scandal was uncovered."

Briscoe was in his prime at 29 when he fought 30 years old Monzon for the title.
Here is the score card for their title fight ,
149-143,150--139,149-139 A very convincing win for Monzon..

Briscoe was 35 and no longer prime when he fought Hagler.
Here is the scorecard for their fight.
48-43,49-43,47-44

Monzon never ducked a title challenger and at 35, retired as unbeaten champion ,having defended his title against the number one challenger,and the man ,Valdez who would succeed him as champion, in his last 2 fights.
Valdez a two time champ beat Briscoe convincingly 3 times, stopping him in 1 fight and flooring him in another.

Hagler lost his title at the age of 32 to the 31 years old Leonard ,who had been retired for 3 years and who had never had a professional fight at middleweight.

All spurious , agenda driven questions answered!

BTW. Can we also scotch this myth that Monzon won his fights because he had such a great reach advantage ? Several of his challengers had reaches over 70 inches


.Mike Tyson's reach is just 71 inches, it didn't prevent him stopping men 5/6 inches, taller with correspondingly long reaches .
It's how you use what you have!
Can we also dismiss this BS about Monzon''s challengers all being short guys
The P4P number one is Alvarez he has won , I think 16 versions of world titles over 4 weight divisions.
He is five feet eight inches tall with a seventy and one half inches reach!

Great post mate.

[Ivich]

Great post mate.

Thank you.

[Ivich]

Monzon was knocked down by Fernandez as I claimed. It's over Tony. Watching you try to wheseal out of this is going to be fun.

This is your post.

"Monzon was decked by Jorge Fernandez in Jan 1966 in a bout for the South American Middleweight Title. I know this and I do not think such information can be found box rec and wiki."

1.They never fought in January

2,Their first fight in September of that year was for the Argentinian Middleweight title ,not the South American title!

Conclusion . You could not have read it in any Argentinian newspaper,you just made it up.

You cannot read Spanish,
FFS you can't even read English!

[Dr. Z]

This is your post.

"Monzon was decked by Jorge Fernandez in Jan 1966 in a bout for the South American Middleweight Title. I know this and I do not think such information can be found box rec and wiki."

1.They never fought in January

2,Their first fight in September of that year was for the Argentinian Middleweight title ,not the South American title!

Conclusion . You could not have read it in any Argentinian newspaper,you just made it up.

You cannot read Spanish,
FFS you can't even read English!

The fought on 9-6-66 for the Argentina middle weight title, Monzon won the decision, but as you likely know by now he was floored by Fernandez .

No me digas idiota lo que puedo y no puedo leer. ¿No te has dado cuenta de que el inglés es mi segundo idioma?

[Ivich]

The fought on 9-6-66 for the Argentina middle weight title, Monzon won the decision, but as you likely know by now he was floored by Fernandez .

No me digas idiota lo que puedo y no puedo leer. ¿No te has dado cuenta de que el inglés es mi segundo idioma?

BUT YOU SAID they fought in January for the South American Middleweight title? Now you are changing your story
YOU SAID you know this because you read it in an Argentinian newspaper.
BUT YOU could not have done because it did not happen.
YOU ALSO SAID Fernandez did not fight again for 2 years.
In fact he fought 4 months later,and again 2 months after that, again a month after that,and again a month after that
fighting Monzon again, this time for the South American Middleweight title.
THEN HE RETIRED FOR 2 YEARS
1. YOU DIDNT READ IT IN ANY ARGENTINIAN PAPER BECAUSE NO FIGHT BETWEEN THEM IN JANUARY1966 EVER HAPPENED.
2,You also didn't read it in any Argentinian paper because it was for the Argentinian National Middleweight title NOT the South American title and they would hardly have got that wrong!
.
So all your BS aside .
The fight never happened ,and you lied about reading it in an Argentinian newspaper.


A liar needs to have a good memory and yours has badly let you down here ,and exposed you for the LIAR you are. Wonderful! Absolutely Wonderful!

[Willie Pep 229]

Jorge Fernandez was NO ham & egger.

100 plus wins. 84 KOs

Lost a close but UD in September 1966 to Monzon. Then went 2-0-1 and got a rematch in June 1967.

But by then, I guess, he was finished (his subsequent record suggests he was) or Monzon was peaking, or both.

The 1967 scoring looks like Monzon pitched a shut-out, dominating the fight.

No clue regarding any KDs but if it was so, so what? Fernandez had 84 KOs. The man could obviously ****.

IF Monzon went down and got up to win, that only makes him greater, not less.



P.S. In my personal investigation regarding the question of journeymen and interrupted retirements.

Jorge Fernandez looks to have retired after losing to Monzon in 1967 and then makes a failed comeback in 1972-1973.

Looks like a journeyman who COULDN'T stay retired.

Jesse Ferguson - Yes
Jorge Fernandez - No