If Dempsey Had Defended Against Wills,Godfrey & Norfolk?

[billeau2]

,Godfrey was known to "wear the cuffs ",on occasion.It's a sad indictment,not on the man .but on an era when black fighters often had to"do business," to survive.

Yup. I always like to keep an open mind. With that said, especially given the fall and "no-rise" of the ambling alp... And with the large number, errr I mean the lack of Godfrey being penalized, I believe it stinks. It even looks like Godfrey is holding back frankly, alas, that is just my feeling. I also give the benefit of the doubt regarding "scoring" because I don't score fights. I like to look at the tone, the general sense of who is successful versus who is lacking. In this specific regard I would characterize this fight as one that is a back and fourth with Godfrey controlling the action. He seems to hit Canera well to the head, but persists in going to the body... this is a bit fishy to me.

What we can take from this situation and Queen B's assertion is unfortunately (for the Queen B) he is once again full of shiat. There were no low blows noted... The one exception is ridiculous... making one su****ious of the whole fight (noted by others present).

[billeau2]

- - Primo easily outboxing Godfrey, the reason he shifted the blatant low blows in spite of repeated ref warnings, hence a DQ of which his record is littered with.

Must of been born yesterday for the umpteenth time today.

Well now... Lets teach you a lesson for everyone's sake shall we? Your a smart guy when you want to be, and YouTube costs nothing. You can search for virtually any fight that was filmed and usually find it. I gave you the links, but isn't it kind of sad that I had to do so?

Even to the most subjective observer, Primo was not outboxing Godfrey, one could say... subjectively perhaps, that Primo was landing some cleaner shots on occasion, amidst a regular body attack and a few good shots of Godfrey's own. Thats not really "outboxing" someone. And I did not see ref warning anyone. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt here... Assuming there was warnings, it did not stop the action, Godfrey was not penalized, no points deducted. Finally, the "DQ" had nothing to do with anything other than Canera not getting back up.

You are correct that Godfrey had disqualifications 2 in his favor, 9 against him. So that is a correct statement. It just does not seem to apply regarding this fight.

[Anthony342]

Yup. I always like to keep an open mind. With that said, especially given the fall and "no-rise" of the ambling alp... And with the large number, errr I mean the lack of Godfrey being penalized, I believe it stinks. It even looks like Godfrey is holding back frankly, alas, that is just my feeling. I also give the benefit of the doubt regarding "scoring" because I don't score fights. I like to look at the tone, the general sense of who is successful versus who is lacking. In this specific regard I would characterize this fight as one that is a back and fourth with Godfrey controlling the action. He seems to hit Canera well to the head, but persists in going to the body... this is a bit fishy to me.

What we can take from this situation and Queen B's assertion is unfortunately (for the Queen B) he is once again full of shiat. There were no low blows noted... The one exception is ridiculous... making one su****ious of the whole fight (noted by others present).

Interesting you mention scoring the overall fight. Did you know this was done in the early days of UFC scoring, where 3 judges would just write a name in marker on a white placard of which fighter they thought won the overall fight. I liked this myself and that it was one overall time limit. But I didn't mind the 5 minute rounds either and in MMA in general. I don't mind 10 point system either, since someone clearly winning a round and scoring a definitive knockdown should get extra points too IMO. Just interesting MMA felt a need to eventually use it, as shots landed sometimes are overshadowed by takedowns. Even with a takedown, if the person in defense does more not only to defend, but also attempt submissions, takedowns don't always tell the whole story as well. So I like it when judges can see that and not just give points to someone who ends up either landing harder shots or just whose on top.

[QueensburyRules]

Well now... Lets teach you a lesson for everyone's sake shall we? Your a smart guy when you want to be, and YouTube costs nothing. You can search for virtually any fight that was filmed and usually find it. I gave you the links, but isn't it kind of sad that I had to do so?

Even to the most subjective observer, Primo was not outboxing Godfrey, one could say... subjectively perhaps, that Primo was landing some cleaner shots on occasion, amidst a regular body attack and a few good shots of Godfrey's own. Thats not really "outboxing" someone. And I did not see ref warning anyone. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt here... Assuming there was warnings, it did not stop the action, Godfrey was not penalized, no points deducted. Finally, the "DQ" had nothing to do with anything other than Canera not getting back up.

You are correct that Godfrey had disqualifications 2 in his favor, 9 against him. So that is a correct statement. It just does not seem to apply regarding this fight.

- - I seen the fight whilst you was channeling Ginsberg for your kungfoodoodoo.

Its a Shyte fight where the right man was DQed so he wouldn’t be outpointed.

Shyte original Question as well. What if you fought a baboon or a cauliflower?

[Ivich]

- - I seen the fight whilst you was channeling Ginsberg for your kungfoodoodoo.

Its a Shyte fight where the right man was DQed so he wouldn’t be outpointed.

Shyte original Question as well. What if you fought a baboon or a cauliflower?

This is the adult forum,you need the infants one.Where silly ,objectionable, little twats like you can make themselves busy and give Mummy and Daddy a break from their nonsense.

[Willow The Wisp]

You be nice Ivich. Tis' the world in microcosm up in this piece. You have my respect. What else could any fella want?

[billeau2]

- - I seen the fight whilst you was channeling Ginsberg for your kungfoodoodoo.

Its a Shyte fight where the right man was DQed so he wouldn’t be outpointed.

Shyte original Question as well. What if you fought a baboon or a cauliflower?

Just don't post BS and you won't have to try to defend the indefensible... Easy right?

[Dr. Z]

If Jack Dempsey had been a more active champion and had taken on probably the three most dangerous black heavyweight contenders that I've named,how would he have fared?
Would he have still been champion after those three fights?
Or would one of them have taken his title,and if so which one?

Well this is a good question and he certainly could have fought all three men in title matches as their fame, and ring records were good enough.

Without saying anything, Dempsey is likely losing at least once.

His record is very non existent of Black opponents. The only one I see is John Lester Johnson who beat Dempsey with a known 16-10-3 record when they fought.

The Sun (New York) and New York Tribune both reported John Lester Johnson won easily even though he was considered by some a third rate fighter

. Weights Dempsey was the heavier man at 181, Lester Johnson was only 170 lbs.

He was 5'11 1/2" and 22 years old.

Now All three men were way better than Lester Johnson. I find that most of Dempsey big fights were full of controversy.

[Ivich]

You be nice Ivich. Tis' the world in microcosm up in this piece. You have my respect. What else could any fella want?

My cup is full!

[Marchegiano]

Panama Joe should get a shout.