Vitali Floored by Walker and Butler But Fought Neither? Why?

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31954583]Taking a leaf out of Dr Z's comic book where about once a week he tells every one Gun Boat Smith tkod Jack Johnson in sparring,he didn't Johnson sparred with another 3 spar mates that same after noon and you cannot be tkod in sparring anyway.

Both Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked Vitali Klitschko down in sparring yet neither got a title shot against him,why not? Walker dropped Vitali with a body shot and the next day Butler dropped him with a shot to the chin.Yet Vitali never fought either?[/QUOTE


ANYONE fool can list the ranked contenders ( Ring magazine top ) which are active in a fighters career. There are a lot of them. It does not mean he avoided them! VK as champion from 1999-2000 in the WBO and 2004 - 2012 in the WBC . If he missed so and so I say who are they, where they ranked, what is their record, was the fight in demand and was Vitali healthy enough . Questions which you will most certainly duck

But did Vital ever drop a belt to avoid a contender? That would be no.

I never saw any video of the knockdowns or Vitali speak about it.. Where is it ? You don't have it. Were Walker and Butler ever ranked? That would be no. Walker ended up 39-14-1 being knocked out 10 times and being KO'd by Vitali Ko victims that were ranked.

Butler ended up 35 and 12 being Ko'd 7 times and was also stopped by guys Vitali stopped.

Keep in mind if the knockdown did happen, so what . VK was coming off injuries. VK must have spared 1,000 or rounds. Surely he was down once in sparring. This was not an exhibition or a real fight. Nor were Raphel and Butler ever ranked, they were lesser men than Vitali had fought and would rate as Vitali worst opponent if he had fought them then from a ring record standpoint since at least 1999. To suggest Vitali avoided them is laughable even for your extreme hating standards.

Vitali is one of two champions in heavyweights never to be floored. That is the history.

[Dr. Z]

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Always wanted to see a rematch with Pele Reid where high kicks were allowed. Not knocking Vitali, quite obviously a hell of a man, but if he's IBHOF worthy, Where's Jerry Quarry and plenty of others who did so much more?[/QUOTE
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Yes indeed!

Where are the Patterson's,Fosters,Shavers,and Lyle's on Vitali's record?

Jerry also went in there with Ali,Frazier,Norton,Ellis.

For the most part Vitali fought a collection of unranked 2nd raters.
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He is 8-2 vs. ring magazine contenders when he fought them. He also fought guys who were once ranked / former champions. Vitali is a first ballot hall of fame guy. Your hate has blinded you and you are dumb. Press on you fool.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31956331]

He is 8-2 vs. ring magazine contenders when he fought them. He also fought guys who were once ranked / former champions. Vitali is a first ballot hall of fame guy. Your hate has blinded you and you are dumb. Press on you fool.

How many once ranked men do you think Lewis fought?
Lets start with;
Bruno
Weaver
Biggs
Mason
Morrison
I don't hate Vitali I respect his stand in his country.What I hate are lying arseholes like you, trying to inflate his record with false stats

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31956321]

Taking a leaf out of Dr Z's comic book where about once a week he tells every one Gun Boat Smith tkod Jack Johnson in sparring,he didn't Johnson sparred with another 3 spar mates that same after noon and you cannot be tkod in sparring anyway.

Both Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked Vitali Klitschko down in sparring yet neither got a title shot against him,why not? Walker dropped Vitali with a body shot and the next day Butler dropped him with a shot to the chin.Yet Vitali never fought either?[/QUOTE


ANYONE fool can list the ranked contenders ( Ring magazine top ) which are active in a fighters career. There are a lot of them. It does not mean he avoided them! VK as champion from 1999-2000 in the WBO and 2004 - 2012 in the WBC . If he missed so and so I say who are they, where they ranked, what is their record, was the fight in demand and was Vitali healthy enough . Questions which you will most certainly duck

But did Vital ever drop a belt to avoid a contender? That would be no.

I never saw any video of the knockdowns or Vitali speak about it.. Where is it ? You don't have it. Were Walker and Butler ever ranked? That would be no. Walker ended up 39-14-1 being knocked out 10 times and being KO'd by Vitali Ko victims that were ranked.

Butler ended up 35 and 12 being Ko'd 7 times and was also stopped by guys Vitali stopped.

Keep in mind if the knockdown did happen, so what . VK was coming off injuries. VK must have spared 1,000 or rounds. Surely he was down once in sparring. This was not an exhibition or a real fight. Nor were Raphel and Butler ever ranked, they were lesser men than Vitali had fought and would rate as Vitali worst opponent if he had fought them then from a ring record standpoint since at least 1999. To suggest Vitali avoided them is laughable even for your extreme hating standards.

Vitali is one of two champions in heavyweights never to be floored. That is the history.

So if a fighter was ranked and another fighter did not fight them it isnt neccessarily a duck?

Does that also apply to Lennox Lewis ,or only the Klit Bros?LOL
Where fighters end up is immaterial, its where they were at the time!

GunBoat Smith was a pure novice when he sparred with Johnson yet you say Johnson should have given him a title shot because Smith nearly put him through the ropes in a spar?


The fact remains Walker dropped Vitali with a body shot and Butler dropped him with a head shot the next day .

Yes Its laughable to suggest Vitali should have give them title shots on the basis of being floored by them,just as its laughable to say Johnson should have given Smith a title shot on the basis of him half putting him through the ropes in a spar!
Have you seen film of Smith putting Johnson into the ropes?

I can produce news reports of the spar that say
1.It never happened.
,2.Johnson slipped on the unresined canvas .
I've just exposed your blatant hypocrisy.
I don't hate Vitali, but I do hate you!

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31956372]

So if a fighter was ranked and another fighter did not fight them it isnt neccessarily a duck?

Does that also apply to Lennox Lewis ,or only the Klit Bros?LOL
Where fighters end up is immaterial, its where they were at the time!

GunBoat Smith was a pure novice when he sparred with Johnson yet you say Johnson should have given him a title shot because Smith nearly put him through the ropes in a spar?


The fact remains Walker dropped Vitali with a body shot and Butler dropped him with a head shot the next day .

Yes Its laughable to suggest Vitali should have give them title shots on the basis of being floored by them,just as its laughable to say Johnson should have given Smith a title shot on the basis of him half putting him through the ropes in a spar!
Have you seen film of Smith putting Johnson into the ropes?

I can produce news reports of the spar that say
1.It never happened.
,2.Johnson slipped on the unresined canvas .
I've just exposed your blatant hypocrisy.
I don't hate Vitali, but I do hate you!

NO! Johnson avoided Smith throughout his pro career you dunce! Smith fought men who fought Johnson and did better than Jack, Idiot. At the one point Smith was likely the #1 contender of the world. He was white, the though he was he was not a white hope. " and he never forgot it. " The punch that knocked Johnson silly! No title shot for Smith

Now you have no proof of the knockdown ok VK which allegedly happened. Vitali never admitted it. No video proof either. Walker and Butler were never top ten opponents. They were journeyman. Like ones who used aa story in sparring, boxing is full of them.

Keep lying, bet welching, and putting together your fantasy like statements that are un-true. I have posted many times that Johnson was down and saw stars, his manager haltered the round! Got it now?

Man you really are ******.

ANYONE fool can list the ranked contenders ( Ring magazine top ) which are active in a fighters career. There are a lot of them. It does not mean he avoided them! VK as champion from 1999-2000 in the WBO and 2004 - 2012 in the WBC . If he missed so and so I say who are they, where they ranked, what is their record, was the fight in demand and was Vitali healthy enough . Questions which you will most certainly duck

But did Vital ever drop a belt to avoid a contender? That would be no.

I never saw any video of the knockdowns or Vitali speak about it.. Where is it ? You don't have it. Were Walker and Butler ever ranked? That would be no. Walker ended up 39-14-1 being knocked out 10 times and being KO'd by Vitali Ko victims that were ranked.

Butler ended up 35 and 12 being Ko'd 7 times and was also stopped by guys Vitali stopped.

Keep in mind if the knockdown did happen, so what . VK was coming off injuries. VK must have spared 1,000 or rounds. Surely he was down once in sparring. This was not an exhibition or a real fight. Nor were Raphel and Butler ever ranked, they were lesser men than Vitali had fought and would rate as Vitali worst opponent if he had fought them then from a ring record standpoint since at least 1999. To suggest Vitali avoided them is laughable even for your extreme hating standards.

Vitali is one of two champions in heavyweights never to be floored. That is the history.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31956588]

NO! Johnson avoided Smith throughout his pro career you dunce! Smith fought men who fought Johnson and did better than Jack, Idiot. At the one point Smith was likely the #1 contender of the world. He was white, the though he was he was not a white hope. " and he never forgot it. " The punch that knocked Johnson silly! No title shot for Smith

Now you have no proof of the knockdown ok VK which allegedly happened. Vitali never admitted it. No video proof either. Walker and Butler were never top ten opponents. They were journeyman. Like ones who used aa story in sparring, boxing is full of them.

Keep lying, bet welching, and putting together your fantasy like statements that are un-true. I have posted many times that Johnson was down and saw stars, his manager haltered the round! Got it now?

Man you really are ******.

You are the vagina who welched on a bet about whether the Ruhlin v Choynski fight was filmed ,it wasnt,but ,because a phoney re-enactment was made you used that as an excuse to renege on our bet.
You have no brains ,no honour,no principles, and no shame.

What you post is not reality,that has been proved over and over again,just recently the phoney quote you made up where you stated Lennox Lewis after fighting Ossie Ocasio said he would fight no more southpaws..Since Ocasio was an orthodox boxer we know that was a deliberate lie on your part.
On Classic ESB you first stated Lewis rubbed his hair into Vitalis eye and cut it ,then you changed your tune and said he did it by rubbing the laces of his glove in Vitali's eye!
You are a compulsive liar, and a miserable excuse for a human being.

[kara]

The list of fighters Vits Didnt fight is long and impressive.

At one point it seemed like he was running from Rahman

[JAB5239]

At one point it seemed like he was running from Rahman

If Lewis ducked a rematch in some people's eyes than Vits must have ducked Rahman. It's convoluted logic I know, but when in Rome......

[BattlingNelson]

I see a thread!!! "Most impressive list of fighters ducked/not fought."

I already made that thread starring Roy Jones.

[Willow The Wisp]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31956331]

He is 8-2 vs. ring magazine contenders when he fought them. He also fought guys who were once ranked / former champions. Vitali is a first ballot hall of fame guy. Your hate has blinded you and you are dumb. Press on you fool.

I take everyone's posts with a glad heart.
i value that with is valuable in each posters body of work, and the rest; I seek amusement from...you poopy dodo bird, you.

If the war can be wrapped up and accepted borders drawn up, I still hold out hope that Mr. Klitschko might make a comback and resume his pursuit of Butterbean Esch's bum beating record for that era.

That dreadful, dreadful era.