Which Draw was the biggest robbery?

[GhostofDempsey]

Sweet pea vs Chavez Sr is the only answer.

Hearns vs Leonard and pac vs Marquez were competitive. Whitaker vs chavez wasnt

It's not the only answer. Pac/JMM was competitive but judge Clements failed to score Manny's third knockdown of Juan in round one which would have made it a win for Manny. Close, but he was still robbed. Hearns dropped Leonard twice and the judges rescued Leonard from a loss by giving him a 10-8 round in the fifth with no knockdown, and again a judge gave him the 12th with a 10-8 round with no knockdown. Hearns was in control for most of the fight and was robbed of a win.

[Hustle]

It's not the only answer. Pac/JMM was competitive but judge Clements failed to score Manny's third knockdown of Juan in round one which would have made it a win for Manny. Close, but he was still robbed. Hearns dropped Leonard twice and the judges rescued Leonard from a loss by giving him a 10-8 round in the fifth with no knockdown, and again a judge gave him the 12th with a 10-8 round with no knockdown. Hearns was in control for most of the fight and was robbed of a win.

What about the other 11 rounds in the pac/marquez fight that could swing either way? That's how you get a draw.

A draw in a close fight is never a robbery.

A draw in a fight where a guy wins 2 rounds max is a robbery. Chavez vs whitaker

[GhostofDempsey]

What about the other 11 rounds in the pac/marquez fight that could swing either way? That's how you get a draw.

A draw in a close fight is never a robbery.

A draw in a fight where a guy wins 2 rounds max is a robbery. Chavez vs whitaker

Pac landed more punches and was robbed of a knockdown. Hearns was flat-out robbed by the judges, it was an obvious attempt at saving Leonard from a loss. Whitaker/Chavez was also a blatant robbery. It was the two Don King judges who scored it a draw for Whitaker but the one that scored it for Chavez only had him winning 115-113. Even the winning judge had it very close. While I agree Whitaker was robbed, it was a closer fight than many make it out to be. Chavez threw mostly body punches that judges often don't score as much as head shots.

Holyfield/Lewis was a bigger disparity in punch stat numbers. Lewis threw 613 punches and connected on 348, while Holyfield threw only 385 and landed 130.

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=BattlingNelson;n31920236]

While I agree on your takes on Haugen (who’s way underrated) and Paz (who’s way overrated), I have to note that none of their fights was a draw.[/QUOTE]

Sorry about that I missread the OP - I saw robbery and jumped on my favorite complaint. Sorry.

[Willie Pep 229]

Whitaker “avoid actual fighting”? Wtf? Whitaker had tremendous defensive skills and great reflexes but in no way did he “avoid actual fighting”. Do you actually believe he did?

OK --> The way I see it (as with all fights) --> I am not a punch counter.

Whitaker's defense that night was perfect and he neutralized the KO machine called Chavez. That was half the battle.

I argue that Chavez's defense was just as effective. A completely different style of fighting a completely different tactic, but nevertheless just as effective.

Neither man put the other man down, neither man had the other at bay. BOTH fighters (with completely different styles/tactics) shut down the other fighter's offense.

When it came to offenses, neither fighter was effect.

The "anticipation game' (that Whitaker couldn't stop Chavez's atrack) made people believe, when Whitaker did stop the attack, that, that somehow made him the winner.

It doesn't. The anticipation game is just in our (the fans and media's) head.

In the fight itself, Whitaker got half the job done done, he stopped the attack. His offense was ineffective.

Chavez's accomplished the same thing, his defense (different style) was just as effective, and his offense just as ineffective.

I saw a draw. I don't buy into the anticipation game. Whitaker got half the job done.

[Hustle]

Pac landed more punches and was robbed of a knockdown. Hearns was flat-out robbed by the judges, it was an obvious attempt at saving Leonard from a loss. Whitaker/Chavez was also a blatant robbery. It was the two Don King judges who scored it a draw for Whitaker but the one that scored it for Chavez only had him winning 115-113. Even the winning judge had it very close. While I agree Whitaker was robbed, it was a closer fight than many make it out to be. Chavez threw mostly body punches that judges often don't score as much as head shots.

Holyfield/Lewis was a bigger disparity in punch stat numbers. Lewis threw 613 punches and connected on 348, while Holyfield threw only 385 and landed 130.

Again. A draw where people feel like either guy could have got the decision isn't a robbery. Loma vs haney, Winky vs Taylor, pac vs Marquez, Leonard vs hearns. People were torn after those fights. That means no robbery.

a robbery is when everybody seen a clear loser and it was a draw. Chavez/sweetpea was that. Nobody on earth had chavez winning. Not even mexicans.

Marquez/pac could have gone either way.
hearns vs Leonard could have gone either way.

I had Marquez winning 8 rounds in the first pac fight. Thats 113-112 marquez with the knockdowns being counted. No robbery.

I agree on Lewis vs holyfield though

[just the facts]

OK --> The way I see it (as with all fights) --> I am not a punch counter.

Whitaker's defense that night was perfect and he neutralized the KO machine called Chavez. That was half the battle.

I argue that Chavez's defense was just as effective. A completely different style of fighting a completely different tactic, but nevertheless just as effective.

Neither man put the other man down, neither man had the other at bay. BOTH fighters (with completely different styles/tactics) shut down the other fighter's offense.

When it came to offenses, neither fighter was effect.

The "anticipation game' (that Whitaker couldn't stop Chavez's atrack) made people believe, when Whitaker did stop the attack, that, that somehow made him the winner.

It doesn't. The anticipation game is just in our (the fans and media's) head.

In the fight itself, Whitaker got half the job done done, he stopped the attack. His offense was ineffective.

Chavez's accomplished the same thing, his defense (different style) was just as effective, and his offense just as ineffective.

I saw a draw. I don't buy into the anticipation game. Whitaker got half the job done.

You seeing Whitaker/Chavez a draw tells me all I need to know about you. Dismissed!

[Willie Pep 229]

You seeing Whitaker/Chavez a draw tells me all I need to know about you. Dismissed!

Oh really! Just a childish retort? Think outside your box once in a while. This is not a competition.

[kara]

The most controversial in recent times was probably Pacquiao-Marquez 1

[just the facts]

Oh really! Just a childish retort? Think outside your box once in a while. This is not a competition.

Are you one of those “I’m right and everyone else is wrong” kind of guys? Read the thread. I have neither the time or inclination to have a boxing conversation with someone whose opinion is that Whitaker/Chavez was a draw. Good day.