Which Draw was the biggest robbery?

[travestyny]

OK --> The way I see it (as with all fights) --> I am not a punch counter.

Whitaker's defense that night was perfect and he neutralized the KO machine called Chavez. That was half the battle.

I argue that Chavez's defense was just as effective. A completely different style of fighting a completely different tactic, but nevertheless just as effective.

Neither man put the other man down, neither man had the other at bay. BOTH fighters (with completely different styles/tactics) shut down the other fighter's offense.

When it came to offenses, neither fighter was effect.

The "anticipation game' (that Whitaker couldn't stop Chavez's atrack) made people believe, when Whitaker did stop the attack, that, that somehow made him the winner.

It doesn't. The anticipation game is just in our (the fans and media's) head.

In the fight itself, Whitaker got half the job done done, he stopped the attack. His offense was ineffective.

Chavez's accomplished the same thing, his defense (different style) was just as effective, and his offense just as ineffective.

I saw a draw. I don't buy into the anticipation game. Whitaker got half the job done.

No one is arguing that you don't have a right to your opinion, but it just seems off. I haven't seen this fight in a long time (and I think I might rewatch it again soon) but the recap I just read of it had Whitaker landing over 90 more punches, cutting Chavez nose, and staggering him a number of times as Whitaker became more of the aggressor toward the end. Do you remember those things happening? You might want to give it another watch.

[GhostofDempsey]

Canelo vs GGG 1. GGG won at least 8 rounds and neither guy hit the canvas or was deducted a point.

Good call on the first of their trilogy. Definite robbery.

[Willie Pep 229]

No one is arguing that you don't have a right to your opinion, but it just seems off. I haven't seen this fight in a long time (and I think I might rewatch it again soon) but the recap I just read of it had Whitaker landing over 90 more punches, cutting Chavez nose, and staggering him a number of times as Whitaker became more of the aggressor toward the end. Do you remember those things happening? You might want to give it another watch.

If you tell me again that you only read the first line, do not ever write me again.

A fresh start:

You make a reasonable argument. He's the rub.

I have said this before -- I am big on draws being called because I actually prefer we go back to ND and referee's solo decisions (when a decision is necessary). I hate the 10 point must system.

But since that's not going to happen I would prefer "draws" over "close decisions."

Example:

To me Lopez-Kambosos should have been a draw. To have that big a negative impact on Lopez's career becuase he lost one more 10-9 round than Kambosos, is wrong. IMO

My Scoring of that fight:

Kambosos shut Lopez's big mouth with a flash KD in the first round ending the anticipation game. 1 point for Kambosos.

Lopez scored the most meaningful KD of the fight mid rounds. Kambosos came close to being out. 2 points for Lopez.

Kambosos stepped up his game very late and drew Lopez blood. 1 point Kambosos

Final score 2-2 a draw.

Can anyone really argue that the Lopez-Kambosos issue was actually settled that night?

Well who can, the casual fan can, he thinks a SD score, by three fat men sitting ringside, tells him who won actually won the fight.

I'm not that easy bought off.

If you say that I missed Whitaker really taking it to Chavez in the late rounds, I would reconsider my feelings. What I remember was a boring fight and I have not watched it since.

That night I walked away feeling Whitaker had won the anticipation game by stopping Chavez's attack. But then the fight fell flat. I got bored with the redundancy of the rounds and walked away saying to myself draw, but Whitaker will get the decision. Because that's how it usually works out.

Funny thing, that night the judges for once agreed with me. They agreed the issue was left unresolved, let's call it a draw.

It's hard for me to pull back from that opinion when I finally hear the judges agree with me. Lol

I don't believe that whitaker-Chavez or Lopez-Kambosos were/are settled the issues. Both should have been done again.

How come the controversal draw didn't create a rematch?

How about 45 round fights. That will solve the problem?

[travestyny]

If you tell me again that you only read the first line, do not ever write me again.

A fresh start:

You make a reasonable argument. He's the rub.

I have said this before -- I am big on draws being called because I actually prefer we go back to ND and referee's solo decisions (when a decision is necessary). I hate the 10 point must system.

But since that's not going to happen I would prefer "draws" over "close decisions."

Example:

To me Lopez-Kambosos should have been a draw. To have that big a negative impact on Lopez's career becuase he lost one more 10-9 round than Kambosos, is wrong. IMO

My Scoring of that fight:

Kambosos shut Lopez's big mouth with a flash KD in the first round ending the anticipation game. 1 point for Kambosos.

Lopez scored the most meaningful KD of the fight mid rounds. Kambosos came close to being out. 2 points for Lopez.

Kambosos stepped up his game very late and drew Lopez blood. 1 point Kambosos

Final score 2-2 a draw.

Can anyone really argue that the Lopez-Kambosos issue was actually settled that night?

Well who can, the casual fan can, he thinks a SD score, by three fat men sitting ringside, tells him who won actually won the fight.

I'm not that easy bought off.

If you say that I missed Whitaker really taking it to Chavez in the late rounds, I would reconsider my feelings. What I remember was a boring fight and I have not watched it since.

That night I walked away feeling Whitaker had won the anticipation game by stopping Chavez's attack. But then the fight fell flat. I got bored with the redundancy of the rounds and walked away saying to myself draw, but Whitaker will get the decision. Because that's how it usually works out.

Funny thing, that night the judges for once agreed with me. They agreed the issue was left unresolved, let's call it a draw.

It's hard for me to pull back from that opinion when I finally hear the judges agree with me. Lol

I don't believe that whitaker-Chavez or Lopez-Kambosos were/are settled the issues. Both should have been done again.

How come the controversal draw didn't create a rematch?

How about 45 round fights. That will solve the problem?

Well you are certainly welcome to your opinion. I remember one fighter clearly deserving to win but if I rewatch it I'll come back and give another assessment. I don't expect to have my mind changed. That fight is a common example of a robbery in the sport but I suppose it's subjective.

By the way, I really wasn't being rude about not wanting to read what you wrote before. I just didn't want to engage in a discussion about race when there was absolutely no need for it. There's enough of that bs in the lounge.

[kara]

Canelo vs GGG 1. GGG won at least 8 rounds and neither guy hit the canvas or was deducted a point.

I actually had both of their first two scored a draw.

[famicommander]

I actually had both of their first two scored a draw.

No way in hell.
First fight: 116-112 Golovkin
Second fight: 115-113 Golovkin
Third fight: 116-112 Alvarez

[IronDanHamza]

Watch the fight LazyDan. Just the first round alone you can see that Manny did in fact land several of his jabs. Do you need a flawed stat to do your seeing for you, lol?

All of that is moot since Clements already admitted he screwed Manny and dropped the ball. Oops.

Ok I will ask you again for the 5th time now.

Pacquauo landed more punches than Marquez….according to WHO?

It’s a very simple question.

[Slugfester]

Hell, Pacquiao won the fight and was robbed by incompetency. I don't care who landed more punches. Marquez did great, and was somewhat able to nullify Pac's attack but those knockdowns early should have screwed him under the rules, if some judge wasn't as incompetent as incompetent can be. The fight was kinda close, but Pac won, period for me.

[Slugfester]

I just watched Marquez/Pacquiao1 again. I scored it 117-113 for Pac. I gave him a 10-6 round for the first. If I hadn't, he still would have won on my card. Great fight, hard to score all right. The draw was not entirely outrageous, not the worst I have seen, but with a minor stink. If one referee does what he is supposed to do Pac wins the fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

I just watched Marquez/Pacquiao1 again. I scored it 117-113 for Pac. I gave him a 10-6 round for the first. If I hadn't, he still would have won on my card. Great fight, hard to score all right. The draw was not entirely outrageous, not the worst I have seen, but with a minor stink. If one referee does what he is supposed to do Pac wins the fight.

Three reasons why Draws are good!

Marquez-Pacquiao II
Marquez-Pacquiao III
Marquez-Pacquiao IV