Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[Dr. Z]

Because in a 10+ year career he beat 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 of the division being fought in which is frankly pathetic.

You say beat two HOF’ers, great. 0 were in their prime and one of them was totally shot to pieces so that isn’t a positive thing like you seem to think it is.

Retiring un-defeated means something. All those title defenses means something. Going 8-0 vs ring magazine opponents when he fought them means something. Going 2-0 vs fighters in the hall of fame means something, At least to most objective people. And if you are far minded ( You're not Calzaghe ) he was past his prime for Hopkins and Jones too.

[IronDanHamza]

Retiring un-defeated means something. All those title defenses means something. Going 8-0 vs ring magazine opponents when he fought them means something. Going 2-0 vs fighters in the hall of fame means something, At least to most objective people. And if you are far minded ( You're not Calzaghe ) he was past his prime for Hopkins and Jones too.

Not really. Calzaghe wasn’t far off his peak whereas Jones was shot and Hopkins pretty far past his.

I mean yeah 8-0 against Top 10 guys is decent ther averages to less than 1 a year in his career.

Doesnt change the fact he beat 3 Top 5 ranked guys which is a joke, really.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Ring updated rankings in the day showed Roy #5 when they fought and Eubank rated.

Look, if a clod were to take up boxing, he'd be you with a hambone running ear to ear through his vacuum.

No, they didn’t.

You just made that up.

[Dr. Z]

Retiring un-defeated means something. All those title defenses means something. Going 8-0 vs ring magazine opponents when he fought them means something. Going 2-0 vs fighters in the hall of fame means something, At least to most objective people. And if you are far minded ( You're not Calzaghe ) he was past his prime for Hopkins and Jones too.

Not really. Calzaghe wasn’t far off his peak whereas Jones was shot and Hopkins pretty far past his.

I mean yeah 8-0 against Top 10 guys is decent ther averages to less than 1 a year in his career.

Doesnt change the fact he beat 3 Top 5 ranked guys which is a joke, really.

So if the same guys beaten was raked 5th instead of 6th or 7th that would change your rotten opinion? Your nit picking and talking semantics. News flash 8 ring magazine opponents beat is a good amount. You should up the fighters at middle weight to heavyweight from 1990- current. Hint hint, there are not may who beat more and none of them were undefeated. Trust me.

[JAB5239]

So if the same guys beaten was raked 5th instead of 6th or 7th that would change your rotten opinion? Your nit picking and talking semantics. News flash 8 ring magazine opponents beat is a good amount. You should up the fighters at middle weight to heavyweight from 1990- current. Hint hint, there are not may who beat more and none of them were undefeated. Trust me.

It wasn't that strong of an era though. A few years before it was stacked, and again a few years later when Ward was the main man at supermiddle. I'd take the like of Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles, Jones, Graham, Tate, Nunn over what was there most of Joe's reign. And again with Ward, Abraham, Bute, Froch, Kessler, Dirrell, Bika etc. Zags is probably the second best super middle ever, but it's more because the division is so you, no because he was undefeated.

[Chollo Vista]

I have to disagree with Froch fighting much better fighters. He lost to Ward and Kessler and his rematch win over Kessler was a shot Kessler who retired afterwards. Froch was losing on the cards to Taylor when he pulled that stoppage win out of his ass in the final seconds. I think Calzaghe's wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones, a win over Reid 8 years before Froch got to him, and some decent wins over Shieka, Brewer, and Bika put him slightly ahead of Froch.

[Chollo Vista]

I worked as Head corner when a friend of mine fought Mesi. Mesi could fight...............Rockin'

Since you were in the corner, we all know your friend got whooped

[Chollo Vista]

- - Joe emasculated Poppy in April of 2008 for his Ring belt before shredding Roy at the end of 2008 after which the title is vacant for 2009 with Poppy #2 under #1 Chad Dawson and Roy disappeared for that year and beyond.

It's like the short bus U used to ride in was only a scale model.

Joe Calzaghe, Champion Bernard Hopkins Chad Dawson Glen Johnson Antonio Tarver Zsolt Erdei* Roy Jones Jr. Clinton Woods Adrian Diaconu Hugo Hernan Garay Chris Henry

Froch is greater than Calzaghe, hands down.

But when posters like IronDanHamza bring up this "top 5" Ring rankings, I have a problem with that because it provides no context

For instance, Hopkins was nowhere near his prime when he fought Joe, but he's #1 on the list. Hopkins already beat Glen Johnson and Tarver so even if Calzaghe beat one of those guy's, what does that really do for his resume? They're good wins, but he still wouldn't be greater than Froch.

In 2008, Tarver already had 4-5 losses. Who knows how many Glen Johnson had at the time. Cal could've had 3 top 5 wins in 2008 that do absolutely nothing for his resume on top of what it already is.

Let's say he beat Erdei who was "ranked top 5".... What does that really do?

[GhostofDempsey]

Froch is greater than Calzaghe, hands down.

But when posters like IronDanHamza bring up this "top 5" Ring rankings, I have a problem with that because it provides no context

For instance, Hopkins was nowhere near his prime when he fought Joe, but he's #1 on the list. Hopkins already beat Glen Johnson and Tarver so even if Calzaghe beat one of those guy's, what does that really do for his resume? They're good wins, but he still wouldn't be greater than Froch.

In 2008, Tarver already had 4-5 losses. Who knows how many Glen Johnson had at the time. Cal could've had 3 top 5 wins in 2008 that do absolutely nothing for his resume on top of what it already is.

Let's say he beat Erdei who was "ranked top 5".... What does that really do?

Calzaghe wasn’t in his prime either when he fought Hopkins and Jones. Hopkins was able to fight into a later age because he got off to a late start and didn’t take much punishment during his career while padding his record at 160 against stiffs.

[Lupara]

Calzaghe fanatics can't be reasoned with.

Was a decent fighter though