Interesting how Joe Calzaghes legacy has changed

[IronDanHamza]

- - Depends on whether you wear Depends or even need Depends.

Today Ring Annual ratings are archaic because they do countless updates during the year. Forever their Annual ratings would be published in the next year, ie Feb-March of 1998 in this case, ie for some 80 years straight before they figured out how ****** that was. You pop in their Ratings team then?

Man, I'd say you need Depends at both end as you don't know which end be sitting on your John.

It doesn’t depend on anything.

He wasn’t ranked when they fought that’s a literal fact.

[billeau2]

Joe has his fans, but the arguments put fourth on this thread as to why he is lacking are absolutely correct.

[QueensburyRules]

It doesn’t depend on anything.

He wasn’t ranked when they fought that’s a literal fact.

- - They fought in 1997, and Chris was ranked in 1997, and You was rank in your BarneyBigBoys in 1997...

[IronDanHamza]

- - They fought in 1997, and Chris was ranked in 1997, and You was rank in your BarneyBigBoys in 1997...

Yes at the end of 1997..

Not when they fought. When they fought he was unranked.

These are objective facts.

[MikeyMike100]

Ward was right up there as well.Canelo no way.Canelo was a great 154 ( jr.MW) but has not fought very many fights at 168 to even be considered in the top 10 super middle weights.Joe fought the best of his era & fought over 90% of his fights at SMW defending his belt a record 21 times he deserves the number 1 spot.

its quality > quantity

beating Fielding, Ryder, Plant, Benavidez, Smith, Yildrim, and Saunders puts Canelo ahead of Joe Calzaghe at 168

[MikeyMike100]

Joe fought & beat some of the best 168 pounders of his era defended the belt 21 times & also moved up to 175 & beat Jones & Hopkins there.This was around the time Hopkins was beating everyone.Ward was good but Joe just did a little more.He also one of only 4 boxers in the history of the sport to retire undefeated.

He fought mickey mouse opposition. Nobody cared about that WBO belt back then. His resume isnt close to Wards.

[QueensburyRules]

He fought mickey mouse opposition. Nobody cared about that WBO belt back then. His resume isnt close to Wards.

- - It's Wart, not MikeyMouse house louse infestations with Imeda Marcos shoe collections and inferiority complexes that define exactly where a Wart rates on the scale of...

[Hooded Terror]

At the time Froch was not worthy of the fight. Calzaghe was correct to retire, unlike Lennox Lewis who ducked his rematch with Vitali because he knew he was going to get smashed to pieces, and that a very lucky cut would not save him again. Nash out

Froch wasn't worthy of a Calzaghe fight? And yet, somehow, fighters like Sobot, Giminez, Pudwill and Manfredo were? Further, re Lennox. He created his own "luck" by having Lurch continually run his face into his less-then-100% accurate punches. Its easy to say now that Vitali would have smashed him to pieces in a rematch, but history shows that when they met, Lennox won the encounter (and after that, during the post-fight interview, Larry Merchant trumped Lennox).

Revisionism is a powerful thing. For some.

[Nash out]

Froch wasn't worthy of a Calzaghe fight? And yet, somehow, fighters like Sobot, Giminez, Pudwill and Manfredo were? Further, re Lennox. He created his own "luck" by having Lurch continually run his face into his less-then-100% accurate punches. Its easy to say now that Vitali would have smashed him to pieces in a rematch, but history shows that when they met, Lennox won the encounter (and after that, during the post-fight interview, Larry Merchant trumped Lennox).

Revisionism is a powerful thing. For some.

That Lewis admitted that he ducked the rematch tells you a lot. He knew what was coming and wanted none of it. He was always happy to rematch after he lost the first fight, but was unwilling to give Vitali the same crack as he knew, without the very lucky eye cut, he loses to Vitali, who dominated the fight and was ahead on all of the cards. Meaning that Froch was not at the time an essential fight that Calzaghe needed to delay his retirement for him. Nash out

[Dr. Z]

I said he beat one HOF that was shot and one HOF that was past his prime so two in total.

There's a plethora of names of Top 5 ranked fighters that he didn't fight and I've listed those fighters numerous times if you want to know who they are then go back and look or check the Ring Annual Ratings yourself.

In a 10+ year period at 168 he fought 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5, that is an objective fact and an embarrassing one at that.

There is not one great fighter in the history of boxing that you can say that about, not one. Calzaghe is not an exception to that rule.

He beat two HOF fighters far. Kessler was in his prime was outclassed. He might make the HOF, as he recently retired and three running out of fighters to anoint.