Chris Byrd vs Michael Moorer better career

[Hooded Terror]

The first Holyfield/Moorer match was a strange one that I thought Moorer went on to demonstrate pretty solid boxing accumen, casting a light on Evander's southpaw-lite experience to that point. Holy didn't look up to par, but much of that was Moorer. The whole heart valve narrative was born thereafter, as we watched a sometimes lackadaisacal Real Deal fight foes in only 2nd and 3rd gears. It seemed to last right up until the Tyson fight. Perhaps an unseen hand, or a change in unseen hands?

The highlight of Holyfield/Moorer? Tedd Atlas. His between-round theatrics reached a high point. It was Atlas at his peak.

[Willie Pep 229]

The first Holyfield/Moorer match was a strange one that I thought Moorer went on to demonstrate pretty solid boxing accumen, casting a light on Evander's southpaw-lite experience to that point. Holy didn't look up to par, but much of that was Moorer. The whole heart valve narrative was born thereafter, as we watched a sometimes lackadaisacal Real Deal fight foes in only 2nd and 3rd gears. It seemed to last right up until the Tyson fight. Perhaps an unseen hand, or a change in unseen hands?

The highlight of Holyfield/Moorer? Tedd Atlas. His between-round theatrics reached a high point. It was Atlas at his peak.

Do you think it might have been the beginning of the PED use that got him over the hump. He should have been in decline after Moorer I and Bowe III (conventional wisdom wise) instead he grew stronger and meaner come Tyson.

Hate Atlas's behavior. IMO A great showman not a great trainer.

[Hooded Terror]

Do you think it might have been the beginning of the PED use that got him over the hump. He should have been in decline after Moorer I and Bowe III (conventional wisdom wise) instead he grew stronger and meaner come Tyson.

Hate Atlas's behavior. IMO A great showman not a great trainer.

THAT is a very good question. Frankly, I'm a HUGE Holyfield fan. But I get the sense there was an unseen hand at play dating back to 1988, and that there was a switch to another variant of that unseen hand right around 1995. Caught up in the hoopla in 1996 as he accelerated towards Tyson, I saw a faded fraction of the man who countered Big Bus into chanpionship laurels struggle to find the grenade that would put sitting duck Bobby Czyz away. He looked awful. And with a size advantage! In his next showing, he didn't just stop a returning steamroller in unified Mike Tyson, he dominated him.

I've always believed there was something "off" about that sudden shifting of gears. His run refreshed, wax jobs ensued for the likes of Moorer in the return. By the time he was struggling with the awkward Ruiz, he had faded greatly.

As for Atlas, I am connected to one of his former fighters who has time and again repeated a fantastic story of how deranged Atlas could be if properly agitated, with hobody around. He is nuts. And he takes way too long to make a point.

[QueensburyRules]

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[GhostofDempsey]

I'd call them about even in terms of accomplishment, but Moorer made more money. I don't know if Moorer's win over Evander carries that much more weight than Byrd's wins over both Vitali and then Tua--who Moorer lost to by KO. Moorer was champion in two weight classes, Byrd was an Olympic Silver Medalist and HW champion. Moorer also got KO'd by a fat 45 year old Foreman. If money is the driving factor, it was Moorer.

[Slugfester]

Easy question for my opinion. Moorer.

But Byrd would have had a far better chance against a great large man like Foreman, IMO, than Moorer. Moorer was a small HW without a stone chin. He probably is not molded to beat a great la r g e man such as Foreman, even version 2. Byrd was so evasive he hardly ever got a chance to prove his chin. He cannot be ruled out against large men and even giants, as he proved by defeating Vitaly K. He twists them into unnatural positions trying to get at him, until they may hurt themselves. That is Class A boxing, which seems to work in any era against any size heavyweight.