It Has Not Been Tried

[Slugfester]

Have you any idea what damage a well trained, in shape fighter, can do to another man?

Add in the strength with peds and a death will certainly follow, not to mention the added impacts absorbed by the brain.

If what the human body can achieve, with out drugs, is not enough for you than go to under ground fights.

Do you also approve of dog fighting..................Rockin'

My friend, let me put it this way, of course I have "any idea." And let me put it this way: a death will certainly follow at some point in any form of boxing in any gear in any era so far. And this way: the dogs don't have a choice, steroid guzzlers do.

That out of the way, let me say I have changed my mind on your particular protest for a different reason: I don't want to reward these guys. They can still go into pro wrestling where it is safer and become millionaires. In addition, and more importantly, condoning cheating in any manner sends the wrong message and feeds the the breakdown of order.

Since certain steroids are legal like Canelobutol and Tenorol, how do you feel about their use, in the pro ring or recreationally, i.e., would you spar with a said user if a roided up boasting amateur came into the community gym where you were doing your workout? I know Canelobutol is legal over the counter, but illegal in boxing. Tenorol is legal over the counter and I do not know its status in boxing. I wonder if either is legal in any sport?

[QueensburyRules]

My friend, let me put it this way, of course I have "any idea." And let me put it this way: a death will certainly follow at some point in any form of boxing in any gear in any era so far. And this way: the dogs don't have a choice, steroid guzzlers do.

That out of the way, let me say I have changed my mind on your particular protest for a different reason: I don't want to reward these guys. They can still go into pro wrestling where it is safer and become millionaires. In addition, and more importantly, condoning cheating in any manner sends the wrong message and feeds the the breakdown of order.

Since certain steroids are legal like Canelobutol and Tenorol, how do you feel about their use, in the pro ring or recreationally, i.e., would you spar with a said user if a roided up boasting amateur came into the community gym where you were doing your workout? I know Canelobutol is legal over the counter, but illegal in boxing. Tenorol is legal over the counter and I do not know its status in boxing. I wonder if either is legal in any sport?

- - Clen ain't a steroid son, but it is said to provide certain enhancements no worse than a classic beef steak and egg prefight dinner old timers used.

Kid in my office just an average Jose wanted to bulk up for his gf by using clen with his weight lifting. Missed two days of work in EMS sick as a dog on the Clen which can poison person when anything thing but a minimal dosage is used.

Also still over the counter in health stores like Andro used to be last I checked. The BALCO Drug ****s running USADA/BALCO have brainwashed the addled soft clay of the public as to what is banned so their own specially designed "Vitamins" to pass drug screening can be sold legally...TBE TUE Baby...

[Anthony342]

A natural and all drug league, I like that. Why not? I mean, bodybuilding has it.

[Willie Pep 229]

My friend, let me put it this way, of course I have "any idea." And let me put it this way: a death will certainly follow at some point in any form of boxing in any gear in any era so far. And this way: the dogs don't have a choice, steroid guzzlers do.

That out of the way, let me say I have changed my mind on your particular protest for a different reason: I don't want to reward these guys. They can still go into pro wrestling where it is safer and become millionaires. In addition, and more importantly, condoning cheating in any manner sends the wrong message and feeds the the breakdown of order.

Since certain steroids are legal like Canelobutol and Tenorol, how do you feel about their use, in the pro ring or recreationally, i.e., would you spar with a said user if a roided up boasting amateur came into the community gym where you were doing your workout? I know Canelobutol is legal over the counter, but illegal in boxing. Tenorol is legal over the counter and I do not know its status in boxing. I wonder if either is legal in any sport?

Digression:

Professional wrestling is quite dangerous, maybe not like prize fighting, but like any "stuntman' they, for entertainment sake, take great risks with their health.

These guys are not athletes, but they are great stuntmen and that should be respected for what they are. They give body and soul to entertain and while I'm not a fan I can respect their effort.

Also like boxing only the few get rich, most get ripped off and used up by their promoters.

[Slugfester]

Digression:

Professional wrestling is quite dangerous, maybe not like prize fighting, but like any "stuntman' they, for entertainment sake, take great risks with their health.

These guys are not athletes, but they are great stuntmen and that should be respected for what they are. They give body and soul to entertain and while I'm not a fan I can respect their effort.

Also like boxing only the few get rich, most get ripped off and used up by their promoters.

Did I say safe or safer? You go ahead and respect rassling and rasslers, every one of whom is roided to the gills. I admire what they can do acrobatically. That is a long way from respecting them and their so-called sport.

I am brought to sudden tears by your account of how they give body and soul to entertain their fans.

[Willie Pep 229]

Did I say safe or safer? You go ahead and respect rassling and rasslers, every one of whom is roided to the gills. I admire what they can do acrobatically. That is a long way from respecting them and their so-called sport.

I am brought to sudden tears by your account of how they give body and soul to entertain their fans.

Why the anger towards them? Me?

I certainly didn't say they were a sport; tried to make it clear it isn't sport.

RE Bold: Yes that is what i was trying to say!

[Slugfester]

Angry? I am not mad at rasslers either. Bein g amused by wrestling fans who believe it is real, I will cop to. Rasslers need to make a living too, and might be delivery boys without all the dumb fans

[Slugfester]

- - Clen ain't a steroid son:

Thatz right. But it mimics the effects on the athlete and thereso on the opposing athlete too. In weightlifting it is just cheating, but in boxing assualt of a deadly weapon.

[The D3vil]

Needs to be a statute of limitations. Three to seven years I suspect.

To expect recompensation 15 years down the road creates a burden that could often be ruinous. It would place a lifetime chill on any participant, a Sword of Damocles that could interfer with future life decisions, all based on an unknown.

We don't do that to citizens.

P.S. Also any charge levied ten years down the road because of new science would necessitate the fighter being given due process. It's hard now to figure out what is and isn't a foul, e.g. Canelo Alvarez, what would it be like trying to prove a wrong ten years later?

They do it in the Olympics all the time.

They've taken away gold medals from people 10 years after the fact when new testing methods came about to retest the samples.

And Lance Armstrong was found out to be a drug cheat years down the road and lost everything and was sued because of it.

That's how you do it.

They shouldn't be able to retire with all their money and glory & think it's over. Nah, even if 10 years later we find you were dirty, we're stripping you of your belts & suing you for the purse that you made.

[QueensburyRules]

They do it in the Olympics all the time.

They've taken away gold medals from people 10 years after the fact when new testing methods came about to retest the samples.

And Lance Armstrong was found out to be a drug cheat years down the road and lost everything and was sued because of it.

That's how you do it.

They shouldn't be able to retire with all their money and glory & think it's over. Nah, even if 10 years later we find you were dirty, we're stripping you of your belts & suing you for the purse that you made.

- - Not really. Lance never failed a drug test in The New Clean Tour with rigorous drug testing on a scale never seen before.

What happened after he retired, a Quaker who was part of his team was suddenly leading the Tour before failing a drug test for the most obvious PED a rider could use.

That called in question about just how clean the Postol team had been in one of the historically dirtiest sports on the planet. FBI spent a couple of years or more throwing every legal book at Postal teammates threatening jail terms in alliance with Tygart of USADA who had previously been exposed in the Vic Conte BALCO Bust, and Tour Officials who had also been gunning for Lance.

They finally found a nonTour experimental testing procedure that came up positive for a Lance B sample, a procedure that never became part of the Tour protocol.

In the middle of this, Lance after a long layoff mounts a comeback to the Tour where he rides himself back into riding shape in pre-Tour international races where he took a spill and broke his collarbone. He still entered the Tour and was tested not only by the Tour, but every day by a respectable lab and posting the actual figures online every day for the people to read and comment on. He briefly led a stage for the Yellow Jersey, but the collarbone could "only" manage a Bronze Medal...ahem...and Pray Tell us what The Tour did with that Bronze Lance won while clowning the Sanctimonious Tour...

Lance had deep enough pockets to hire the legal team to see him through, so the FBI went over the top and threatening to throw the rest of his team in jail whereupon Lance being a team guy who always gave huge credit to his team, he finally capitulated with fig leaf for the FBI that ruined his reputation forever at this point in time.

Dunno how much the collective Tour, USADA, and FBI spent fruitlessly for over a year until they brought him down, maybe $30mil, all while the impeachable war in Iraq was going on that was sparked by 911 where the FBI had the Saudi highjackers on their watch list while letting them take flying lessons in America.

I could go on, but why bother? US is no longer the beacon of democracy, now oligarch of warmongers for over two decades as the bipolar 2 party system in place is more a gerontocracy than democracy generating at least a half dozen major economic frauds resulting in massive economic collapses upending the populace, now in what has to be a record number of homeless folks, ect, ect, ect ad infinitum.

Note: A Gerontocracy is the 3rd of a 5 tier of Human organization with hunting/gathering tribes the bottom and Democracy on top. Of course that is fungible since the authors mostly live and are financed in a Democracy where they publish their scholarly results that seldom last the cruel march of Time.