Turn of the century round robin non-champs

[QueensburyRules]

Oh I can handle a bit of this one.

celluloid film was very sensitive to humidity and water. very well may have tried to film and lost the recording in the same day.

Have you ever heard of any claim to anyone ever viewing a playback? It's possible the boys showed up and said nope, not worth our time and did nothing. It's also possible they said well we are here and ready so let's have a go and filmed but could not stop the film from degrading. It's also possible it was out there, but I think given two historians in this thread alone claim it was never filmed that's probably the most likely.

celluloid now is not like celluloid then. Well, it is, celluloid is a plastic, but what's different is the photosensitive emulsion. It used to be a gelatin. You could rub the silver right off with you hands. It'd a bit like trying to bake in a storm. It can be done, certainly these days, but it isn't as easy as but you have a house though and certainly was not as easy then as now.


My two anyway.

- - The celluloid was the big breakthrough that Edison worked years on, so thanks for that interesting then and now comparison.

[Marchegiano]

- - The celluloid was the big breakthrough that Edison worked years on, so thanks for that interesting then and now comparison.

Kodak?

[QueensburyRules]

Kodak?

- - George Eastman worked with Thomas Edison, this dated 1928 at Eastman's home in Rochester NY a few years before his death. As you can see more fully in Madame Tussauds Wax Museum likeness of the moment, even then film was being hand cranked:


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[Ivich]

- - Kinetoscopes were hand cranked in the beginning and apertures manually operated as well. Weather would not affect them while sheltered in a waterproof shed built for the fight. Facts are that through much of the silent movie era projectors were also hand cranked as operators would often back up film to replay exciting parts that resulted in those sections of the fight being overly worn for future viewers.

Charged? You saying they were electronically operated in the day when batteries failed more often than they worked and electric motors with the same reliability?

I cannot deny your captions call in question whether the fight was filmed, but after all the considerable expenses over the years to make the film needed to record a full feature event, that Edison would fail by using an unreliable recording system at the moment beggars belief. There were 3 Kinetoscopes, not just one for reference, and there is a photo of the filming shack with 3 openings in place, and not a single one worked?

Really?

Nobody can prove the fight was in Mexico or the US, but most assuredly it was in the middle of the river with Mexico and the US in constant dispute over those borders that change with every swelling and drying of the river which is why the fight took place. The Rangers recused themselves, and there were no Mexican troops because of the stealth of Stuart using the train and even if present they'd be unable to scale down a 100' sheer canyon wall.

Says he filmed the bullfight, so filmed or not, fight and bullfight met the same fate it appears.

.Two hundred Mexican soldiers were stationed at Eagle Pass but they were 2 days march away from the site The fight was held in Mexican territory in in Coahuila.

Although the Kinetoscope was set up,the fight could not be filmed.
The newspapers offered different reasons for this,the weather was bad,and the lighting poor,the storage batteries would not work,and/or the magnets would not work.
The Kinetoscope man,Enoch J Rector wanted them to fight the next day so that he could film it.
Fitz said he was willing for $5000 plus 50% of the net receipts of the film exhibitions
All this is covered in Adam Pollack's excellent biography Bob Fitzsimmons ,"In The Ring And Out" .
Chapter 13. Boxing And The Law.

Now please ,no more silly claims about this fight being filmed!

[Marchegiano]

Both Maher and Fitz have books about them. I don't think Ruhlin does. Back on track youse.

[QueensburyRules]

.Two hundred Mexican soldiers were stationed at Eagle Pass but they were 2 days march away from the site The fight was held in Mexican territory in in Coahuila.

- - Missed the part where you was stationed when they marched over you.

You don't even know where the fight took place. Them French fried snails and Pinoir making you loopy.

[Ivich]

- - Missed the part where you was stationed when they marched over you.

You don't even know where the fight took place. Them French fried snails and Pinoir making you loopy.

The fight took place in Coahuila Northern Mexico you can find it easily on Google maps

You mean Pinot Noir! . Queenie have you actually ever been out of your parents house?lol

Still its nice to finally see a photo of you.

image.pngThanks,it explains a lot!

[QueensburyRules]

The fight took place in Coahuila Northern Mexico you can find it easily on Google maps

You mean Pinot Noir! . Queenie have you actually ever been out of your parents house?lol

Still its nice to finally see a photo of you.

image.pngThanks,it explains a lot!

- - You dunno where the fight took place, nor do you care to know.

You can't pick it out on a map, so you regurgitate disproven garbage like JJohnson threw the Willard fight and KOed Burns.

[Ivich]

- - You dunno where the fight took place, nor do you care to know.

You can't pick it out on a map, so you regurgitate disproven garbage like JJohnson threw the Willard fight and KOed Burns.

Texas, which had become the northern section of Coahuila y Tejas in 1824, declared its independence from Mexico in 1835. In response, Mexican troops led by General Antonio López de Santa Anna attacked and defeated a small force of Texan patriots at the Battle of the Alamo in the spring of 1836. A few months later at the Battle of San Jacinto, Santa Anna and his men were routed by superior forces led by General Sam Houston. Tensions between the counties continued until 1846 when United States soldiers invaded Mexico, instigating the two-year-long Mexican-American War. U.S. troops occupied Saltillo, Coahuila, until 1848 when the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo granted all territories north of the Rio Grande to the United States.

In 1856, the governor of Nuevo Leon, a neighboring state, annexed Coahuila and declared the combined territories the República de la Sierra Madre. A few years later, however, Coahuila regained its independence.

Coahuila Map - Northern Mexico, Mexico - Mapcarta

https://mapcarta.com/Coahuila

I've never suggested Johnson threw the Willard fight.

He was legitimately knocked out ,if you buy Adam Pollacks books on Johnson

,in which he was kind enough to give me an acknowledgement you would know this.

The police stopped the Burns fight in the 14th rd Alfred..

I'm getting rather worried about you and your random ramblings,do your parents know you are typing all this dross Alfred?

[QueensburyRules]

Texas, which had become the northern section of Coahuila y Tejas in 1824, declared its independence from Mexico in 1835. In response, Mexican troops led by General Antonio López de Santa Anna attacked and defeated a small force of Texan patriots at the Battle of the Alamo in the spring of 1836. A few months later at the Battle of San Jacinto, Santa Anna and his men were routed by superior forces led by General Sam Houston. Tensions between the counties continued until 1846 when United States soldiers invaded Mexico, instigating the two-year-long Mexican-American War. U.S. troops occupied Saltillo, Coahuila, until 1848 when the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo granted all territories north of the Rio Grande to the United States.

In 1856, the governor of Nuevo Leon, a neighboring state, annexed Coahuila and declared the combined territories the República de la Sierra Madre. A few years later, however, Coahuila regained its independence.

Coahuila Map - Northern Mexico, Mexico - Mapcarta

https://mapcarta.com/Coahuila

I've never suggested Johnson threw the Willard fight.

He was legitimately knocked out ,if you buy Adam Pollacks books on Johnson

,in which he was kind enough to give me an acknowledgement you would know this.

The police stopped the Burns fight in the 14th rd Alfred..

I'm getting rather worried about you and your random ramblings,do your parents know you are typing all this dross Alfred?

- - Blah, blah, blah.

England occupied by the Normans which is why you snarf Frenchfried Snails.

I gave you directions to the viewing site less than a 100 yards from the Jersey Lilly in Langtry in the middle of the Rio Grande which is only half claimed by Mexico. Coahuila don't set their borders...double quadruple duh!!!