How does Frazier vs Marciano play out?

[kara]

I'm actually curious the effect eachothers blows would have on eachother. I would probably edge Marciano in this match up. even if its a late round take out.

Same. This would be one hell of a scrap

[Anthony342]

DURABIABTY That's the most crucial factor!


Frazier was knocked down by Mike Bruce and Oscar Bonavena, and of course all time great puncher George Foreman. Bonavena was a good puncher.
Whilst Frazier did not face that many punchers , he did face Quarry x2 ,Ellis,Stander,Ramos
none of them floored him and Bonavena could not repeat the feat in their second fight.

How many punchers did Rocky fight? About the same amount and none hit like Foreman.

A near 40 years old Moore weighing188lbs dropped Marciano and caused him to black out,A 38 years old Walcott dumped him on his ass.
I wouldn't pick Marciano based on his DURABILITY.
I pick him because he was a two handed puncher, but certainly not with any great confidence because Frazier was faster,and bigger and was not cut prone as Rocky was.
Frazier is also more proven against class big men.
It's basically a 50/50 fight imo

Good assessment. I'd have to agree. How does it play out? Violently and with great brutality. In the words of the immortal Bert Sugar "I don't think we'll need the judges for this one." One of the few head to head matchups I could give Marciano an edge in. But not a large advantage.

[them_apples]

It's also important to note, anyone who did manage to go a few rounds with the Rock - often did so because thats all they were trying to do. they were grabbing, smothering and surviving.

I watch 2 bouts with Marciano involving smaller men - La Starza and ****ell - both of these guys took beatings, and would have been beat far worse had they actually fought back.These fights revolved around them trying to not get knocked out.

His fight with Joe would not only be a big event to him to get up for, but Joe would fire back and be open for Marcianos blows. Frazier would be throwing back as well, but in a war of attrition I see Marcianos style and 2 fisted attack prevail later on.

Joe liked if you just stood there and he beat on you. Marciano doesn't really do that, he has some very good headmovement and awkward elusiveness.

[Willow The Wisp]

Translation required please!

What for?

[Willow The Wisp]

Joe could notoriously be a slow starter who had to build the fire in order to smoke. Once that fire was roaring, heaven help whoever was standing in front of him. Might this play a role in generating a surprise outcome? It's possible given the consussive force of Suzie Q. Remember that with all of these fantasy fights...it's something we've never seen before. Angelo spent a minute studying both champions and this is something that he considered when asked his opinion.

[them_apples]

Joe could notoriously be a slow starter who had to build the fire in order to smoke. Once that fire was roaring, heaven help whoever was standing in front of him. Might this play a role in generating a surprise outcome? It's possible given the consussive force of Suzie Q. Remember that with all of these fantasy fights...it's something we've never seen before. Angelo spent a minute studying both champions and this is something that he considered when asked his opinion.

It really would have been a brutal fight.

gun to my head, Rocky. If it comes down to guts. Maybe he loses more rounds than he wins against Frazier, but rallies strong late and stops him. Something crazy like that. Cause both these guys go nuts in the later rounds, or if they are behind bad.

[Ivich]

What for?

Dr Z
Neither was Bugner yet he viable hit Joe in on of there few times he hit Frazier. Stander was a bum and Ramos too, yet both me visibly rocked Frazer in fights where they hardly laded much in short fights.

Archie Moore was a top puncher in his day, and decently hit harder than Bugner, Ramos, Stander and company! Frazier chin was suspect. Rocky hit harder than many of the mediocre punchers that knocked Frazier down, or visibly stunned him / bucked his knees.
Who typed this? Cheetah the Chimpanzee?

[them_apples]

Dr Z
Neither was Bugner yet he viable hit Joe in on of there few times he hit Frazier. Stander was a bum and Ramos too, yet both me visibly rocked Frazer in fights where they hardly laded much in short fights.

Archie Moore was a top puncher in his day, and decently hit harder than Bugner, Ramos, Stander and company! Frazier chin was suspect. Rocky hit harder than many of the mediocre punchers that knocked Frazier down, or visibly stunned him / bucked his knees.
Who typed this? Cheetah the Chimpanzee?

Its not that Archie is a big puncher at HW, he just has more skill so he was able to catch guys coming in. Frazier would have caught up to Archie as well and stopped him.

the thing with Marciano, is I notice a lot of fighters would quickly resort to survival, so it’s not always even fair to go by how many rounds they lasted with him - since the majority of his fights turned into Marciano raging and trying to catch them.

Joe is easier to hit, we know this because he we saw it. Joes headmovement is designed to make oponents miss so he can catch them - its not entirely just defense. Fact is he is right in front of you all night.

the reason this is a good fight is I could never see Joe doing anything else other than fight back. I don’t think he would start wrestling or running / watching the clock etc. its a lot of time and room to trade blows with Marciano.

[MikeyMike100]

It would be an amazing brawl but I think Fraizer's superior technique gives him the edge and he stops Marciano late

[Willow The Wisp]

Dr Z
Neither was Bugner yet he viable hit Joe in on of there few times he hit Frazier. Stander was a bum and Ramos too, yet both me visibly rocked Frazer in fights where they hardly laded much in short fights.

Archie Moore was a top puncher in his day, and decently hit harder than Bugner, Ramos, Stander and company! Frazier chin was suspect. Rocky hit harder than many of the mediocre punchers that knocked Frazier down, or visibly stunned him / bucked his knees.
Who typed this? Cheetah the Chimpanzee?

Lol. And I thought I knew my Boxing! I confess, Ivich; that Dr. Z must knows more, cuz I can't name even one of those "mediocre punchers that knocked Frazier down".