Thoughts on Joshua's place in HISTORY

[Willow The Wisp]

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Lol.....

[markusmod]

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[The D3vil]

Wow, Vitali was not that good because he lost to one of top 5 heavyweights ever?

Tell me honestly, how great win would be Whyte for Vitali?

I didn't say he wasn't that good.

I said he wouldn't "toy" with these fighters. Big difference.

Nobody's toying with somebody with Wilder's power & athleticism

Nobody's toying with Fury and his skills, size, and heart.

We all remember Mike Tyson's amazing victories over... ... ... ... oh, some long-forgotten light-heavyweight and Larry Holmes coming in off 2 losses in a row for a pay check. It was great to see the average Douglass, not only knock out prime Tyson, but completely outbox him before hand to show him for what he was. Dude got bustered up - People have the audacity to questions Fury's resume. Laughable. Nash out

Oh please,

Larry Holmes beat a Ray Mercer that many think beat Lennox Lewis 4 years after Tyson blasted him out.

Nobody else ever stopped Larry Holmes, even Holyfield, who fought Holmes 5 years later in his mid 40s.

Tyson also beat an undefeated HOF Michael Spinks who ended Holmes' long run

He beat the entire top Ring rated top 10 when he was champion

Rankings 99% of the time mean nothing. Name the guys Tyson beat who would beat prime Fury, then? Douglass beat prime Mike Tyson very, very easily. Prime Fury beats prime Douglass with 1 arm after drinking 18 pints. Nash out

Douglass beat a Mike Tyson who'd been up doing coke and ****ing strippers the night before with Bobby Brown.

And even still he needed a long count to survive against a half-focused Tyson.

A fully focused Tyson decapitates Douglass and Fury the same night.

The D3vil out.

[Nash out]

I didn't say he wasn't that good.

I said he wouldn't "toy" with these fighters. Big difference.

Nobody's toying with somebody with Wilder's power & athleticism

Nobody's toying with Fury and his skills, size, and heart.



Oh please,

Larry Holmes beat a Ray Mercer that many think beat Lennox Lewis 4 years after Tyson blasted him out.

Nobody else ever stopped Larry Holmes, even Holyfield, who fought Holmes 5 years later in his mid 40s.

Tyson also beat an undefeated HOF Michael Spinks who ended Holmes' long run

He beat the entire top Ring rated top 10 when he was champion



Douglass beat a Mike Tyson who'd been up doing coke and ****ing strippers the night before with Bobby Brown.

And even still he needed a long count to survive against a half-focused Tyson.

A fully focused Tyson decapitates Douglass and Fury the same night.

The D3vil out.

The Great Nash does not agree with much of this, but he does appreciate The D3vil out. Nash out

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[Willow The Wisp]

Heavyweights of the last half century, 1973 - 2023:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry
16.Jimmy Young
17.Ron Lyle
18.Earnie Shavers
19.Tim Witherspoon
20.Gerry Cooney
21.Andy Ruiz Jr.
22.Mike Weaver
23.Gerrie Coetzee
24.Joe Bugner
25.Michael Dokes, Ike Ibeabuchi, Frank Bruno, Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Joyce, David Tua, Michael Spinks, Alexander Povetkin, Luis Ortiz, Pinklon Thomas, Donovan Razor Rud****, James Buster Douglas, David Haye, Tommy Morisson, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick, Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer, Oliver McCall, Andrew Golota, Hasim Rahman, Dillian White, Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Joseph Parker, Etc.

Of course, the little list above is fully mine, hastily assembled and subject to critique; but that would be aside of the point.
Active are Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Each has an opportunity to move up or down this (or anyone's) top 25/50 years list.
For Fury, he is the one and only holder of the title once held by Apollo the Sun God, Forvanta, Phorbas, Theseus, Onomastos, Diappos, Philammon, Marcus Tillius, James Figg, Jack Broughton, Jack Slack, Tom Johnson, Daniel Mendoza, Jem Belcher, Hen Pearce, Tom Cribb, Tom Spring, Jem Ward, Bendigo Thompson, Jem Mace, John L. Sullivan, James J. Corbett, Jim Jeffries, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis, and a demolition job on Usyk and finally, a showdown with domestic rival Joshua in which he shows his class is all that is required to pass Wladimir (IMO), and if he tacked on the Zhang - Joyce winner and retired undefeated, we'd be hard pressed to avoid giving him yet another rung or two, being a fluid 6'9", whiping of the best era in many years and performing the rare act of preserving his 0.

For Deontay Wilder, preserving his lofty ranking would require a slam-**** ending to his almost spotless career in which he at least drew with every man he's ever faced while remaning no worse than the 2nd or 3rd best on earth for 8 years and counting during a massive resurgence of the heavyweight division. An emphatic KO of fellow ex-title claimant Andy Ruiz Jr would keep him at number 9, and a Wilder style blitz of rival Anthony Joshua would inch him up if it was impressive enough.

As for AJ?..........

[markusmod]

Heavyweights of the last half century, 1973 - 2023:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry
16.Jimmy Young
17.Ron Lyle
18.Earnie Shavers
19.Tim Witherspoon
20.Gerry Cooney
21.Andy Ruiz Jr.
22.Mike Weaver
23.Gerrie Coetzee
24.Joe Bugner
25.Michael Dokes, Ike Ibeabuchi, Frank Bruno, Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Joyce, David Tua, Michael Spinks, Alexander Povetkin, Luis Ortiz, Pinklon Thomas, Donovan Razor Rud****, James Buster Douglas, David Haye, Tommy Morisson, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick, Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer, Oliver McCall, Andrew Golota, Hasim Rahman, Dillian White, Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Joseph Parker, Etc.

Of course, the little list above is fully mine, hastily assembled and subject to critique; but that would be aside of the point.
Active are Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Each has an opportunity to move up or down this (or anyone's) top 25/50 years list.
For Fury, he is the one and only holder of the title once held by Apollo the Sun God, Forvanta, Phorbas, Theseus, Onomastos, Diappos, Philammon, Marcus Tillius, James Figg, Jack Broughton, Jack Slack, Tom Johnson, Daniel Mendoza, Jem Belcher, Hen Pearce, Tom Cribb, Tom Spring, Jem Ward, Bendigo Thompson, Jem Mace, John L. Sullivan, James J. Corbett, Jim Jeffries, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis, and a demolition job on Usyk and finally, a showdown with domestic rival Joshua in which he shows his class is all that is required to pass Wladimir (IMO), and if he tacked on the Zhang - Joyce winner and retired undefeated, we'd be hard pressed to avoid giving him yet another rung or two, being a fluid 6'9", whiping of the best era in many years and performing the rare act of preserving his 0.

For Deontay Wilder, preserving his lofty ranking would require a slam-**** ending to his almost spotless career in which he at least drew with every man he's ever faced while remaning no worse than the 2nd or 3rd best on earth for 8 years and counting during a massive resurgence of the heavyweight division. An emphatic KO of fellow ex-title claimant Andy Ruiz Jr would keep him at number 9, and a Wilder style blitz of rival Anthony Joshua would inch him up if it was impressive enough.

As for AJ?..........

How high would you raise Usyk if he happens to win with Fury? (Big IF I know).

[Willow The Wisp]

How high would you raise Usyk if he happens to win with Fury? (Big IF I know).

Alot! He's already in a very elite list there, given the tens of thousands of big, tough athletes who have risked their lives and had a go at the big prize in 50 years. If Usyk snatched the real title, and beat Fury to do it, his worth goes through the roof. He's done tremendous work already by topping a fertile Cruiserweight generation and having Anthony Joshua’s number, but at 200+ his accomplishments thin out to nearly nothing beyond that. But as a still active fighter he is unfinished and mobile.
And he's got some big skills!

[them_apples]

Surely.

Fury's resume is so thin that one devastating loss doesn't just drop him in the rankings, it sends him into historical oblivion.

this.

The Wilder hype really sent Fury into the overated category.