Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights?

[Ivich]

I read that thread and another poster complained what is it you! I don't care, and can post where I choose, go it. You are obsessed with me among other things.

Ward goes in Johnson's dark side and write in detail how he quit like a dog vs Klon***e, but a s we know you don't quote that! Tell me Tony McVcey / Ivich don't you grow weary of getting caught in lies, double standards, and getting exposed?

Johnson entered the ring against Klon***e,"looking dangerously thin" George Siler the great referee and the man credited with having discovered Johnson said Johnson did not have any victuals in his stomach , he had been living off what he could scrounge at free lunch counters.Johnson floored Klon***e in the 1 st rd but went down later in the fight from a left to the stomach and was counted out.
Johnson at 37 past prime, and overweight went 26 rounds with the giant Willard and after 20rds was in front.Then he began to wear down, knowing he was not strong enough to stop Willard and that he had a further 25 rds to go he could have quit,but he didnt, 6 rounds later he succumbed to a terrific right hand and exhaustion.
Johnson went 10 rds with Battling Jim Johnson,7 of them with a broken arm did he quit? No.

Johnson went into the ring with Jeffries knowing the audience despised him and wanted him to be beaten.did he quit? No.
Was he intimidated? No.He grinned at his detractors and talked to Jeffries and his corner as he beat Jeffries up.
One of Johnson's balls would be twice the size of your brain,you bigoted hater.
Klon***e and Johnson fought for a purse of $35

Your expression," quit like a dog ," just says it all about your obssession with Johnson . Thanks for giving me the opportunity to post the real reaction to you being banned from Classic posters will note its striking difference to your "version".

They will also not how often you are posting here,and that's because you can't do so anywhere else! lol

[Ivich]

Come on, now. You know this is not true. Even the source that this story came from already admit that it wasn't factual. It was a fantasy writing.

I want to say you are better than this, but honestly, the way you post here.....


And I've never known Dempsey to co-sign this story. Can you post the proof of that. Only thing I heard is that it was mentioned to him and he smirked playing along but refused to answer whether it were true or not. I'm sure he would have liked it to be true, but we all know it didn't happen.

I've seen some posts by Queensbury that were very good,then he makes one like this?
I've started to think its part of his personality to make perverse statements just to provoke a reaction.
Nobody with half a brain seriously thinks the fight happened,and that includes Queensbury,imo.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n31723066]

- - JJ KOed by Dempsey, so his ego could never allow that just as it didn't allow Willard to KO him.

Dunno what your source is re Jeff, but I do know what I read, and boxing being the most corrupt of all human sports excepting horse racing that needs a horse to compete, there are probably 5 different sides to this story.

Secret fight, Big $$$, acknowledgement by Dempsey in KO mag just before his death. The first thing JJ did upon prison release was call out Dempsey repeatedly, and at one point claimed to have a promoter in Mexico City willing to stage the fight for a piffling amount than they would've made in Saskatchewan whose miners could've bought off all of Mexico City with a down payment.

BS talks while Money walks to the Bank...Boxing 101...[/QUOTE
My sources are Adam Pollack,Randy Roberts,and James Jackson Jeffries,who in later years said he regretted having acted as he did and said he was rather ashamed of it .It's in Pollack's biography of Jeff.
And your source is?

Dempsey never confirmed that he fought Johnson, I know it and you know it , so why the trolling on this subject?

[travestyny]

I've seen some posts by Queensbury that were very good,then he makes one like this?
I've started to think its part of his personality to make perverse statements just to provoke a reaction.
Nobody with half a brain seriously thinks the fight happened,and that includes Queensbury,imo.

Agreed. When he posts like a normal human being, he's quite pleasant to have a convo with. But more often than not he goes off on these weirdo segues with odd "insults" if you can even call them that, because they are often incomprehensible. Sometimes I think he is just lonely and feels it's the best way to get people to respond to him.


If you are reading, Queenie...just stop. You are better than that.

[QueensburyRules]

But you do realize that this story is 100% fiction, right. We already had a thread here that made it clear it was just a fantasy story, but for some reason you were the only one in the thread still saying it's believable. They even showed you that the writer himself stated it was fantasy but you still wanted to go with it. Why? That doesn't make sense. It's like even being dead for so many years, you guys want to hate on Johnson. I get the feeling that if this fantasy article said Johnson KOed Dempsey, you would have a different opinion about whether it was fact or fiction.

- - Lew in the World Boxing HOF as well as NJHOF. He does not say this is fiction, but proposes a looksee of the evidence to make a decision where he highlights.the details and conditions under which the fight was held.

JJohnson a much older man many years later was thrown out of Louis camp after a surprise visit where he was angling for a title fight. He was 43 for the Dempsey fight and had spent previous years working on making it a title fight.

In fact, the description of the fight is buttered by both being out of fight shape, closer to exhibition shape where unusual circumstances occur.

I would've taken a private fight vs l'l floydy or Popkings in the day for $50 mil pronto. Purses ain't mentioned, but the largest gold strike in North America and likely the world imported whatever they wanted including private fights at an exclusive club of gold magnates.

[travestyny]

- - Lew in the World Boxing HOF as well as NJHOF. He does not say this is fiction, but proposes a looksee of the evidence to make a decision where he highlights.the details and conditions under which the fight was held.

JJohnson a much older man many years later was thrown out of Louis camp after a surprise visit where he was angling for a title fight. He was 43 for the Dempsey fight and had spent previous years working on making it a title fight.

In fact, the description of the fight is buttered by both being out of fight shape, closer to exhibition shape where unusual circumstances occur.

I would've taken a private fight vs l'l floydy or Popkings in the day for $50 mil pronto. Purses ain't mentioned, but the largest gold strike in North America and likely the world imported whatever they wanted including private fights at an exclusive club of gold magnates.

Bruh. It was confirmed they both weren't even in town when the fight supposedly happened. Even the biggest Dempsey fans here have agreed it didn't happen. Let it go!

[QueensburyRules]

Bruh. It was confirmed they both weren't even in town when the fight supposedly happened. Even the biggest Dempsey fans here have agreed it didn't happen. Let it go!

- - What part of private, secret fight do you not understand?

Both have an open schedule before and after that date where they cannot be accounted for and both have recent histories of being in Canada, most especially JJ.

BTW, I'm enjoying JJ autobio. He makes the first good point I've seen concerning his Mann Act conviction in that the offense predates the criminal statute. Gonna compare timelines and get back, but if true, yeah, wrongful conviction...

[Willie Pep 229]

The narrative of the fight reads like fiction. It's the perfect fight with both men given an opportunity to shine their best attributes.

Too perfect!

P.S. And I agree with whomever above stated it smells too much like the Sharkey fight. But because of the December 1921 date it's more likely a mimic of the Brennan fight, which also played out in similar fashion, with Dempsey coming from behind and turning the tide with body blows before finishing Brennan off with a KO blow.

[travestyny]

- - What part of private, secret fight do you not understand?

Both have an open schedule before and after that date where they cannot be accounted for and both have recent histories of being in Canada, most especially JJ.

BTW, I'm enjoying JJ autobio. He makes the first good point I've seen concerning his Mann Act conviction in that the offense predates the criminal statute. Gonna compare timelines and get back, but if true, yeah, wrongful conviction...

What part of debunked don't you understand. You can't be this ******.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - What part of private, secret fight do you not understand?

Both have an open schedule before and after that date where they cannot be accounted for and both have recent histories of being in Canada, most especially JJ.

BTW, I'm enjoying JJ autobio. He makes the first good point I've seen concerning his Mann Act conviction in that the offense predates the criminal statute. Gonna compare timelines and get back, but if true, yeah, wrongful conviction...

The Mann Act (The White-Slave Traffic Act) was passed on June of 1910. JJ was arrested in October and then again in November of 1912.

Johnson didn't marry Lucille Cameron until December 4th 1912, so while the arrest was certainly politically motivated, the legal boiler plate was good enough.

He crossed a State line with an unmarried "White" women who held a previous conviction for prostitution.

I would be curious to here what argument the bio you are reading offers.