Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights?

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- - Already been 'splained to you after Boston killed Wills/Dempsey in RedSox Stadium that Frazee owned, he went to the Yanks to get a inbetween road trip date that NY killed. Frazee had near 1 mil purse of his $$$ guaranteed.

Fighters currently fighting in Arab territories, and have previously fought slogging through farm meadows, ships, barges, spit islands in the middle of lakes and rivers, salt mines, blah, blah, so a soft lad like you don't dictate where fights are to be...

NY was willing and ready for the Wills Dempsey fight, so no it has not be 'splained. So was Chicago. A NY commissioner contradicts what you said specifically. Stated in plain terms that there was no barrier to the fight taking place. Do you deny these things, because they are easily proven.

[Willie Pep 229]

How did politics kill the Dempsey Wills fight when places like NY were begging for the Dempsey Wills fight and a poll confirmed the people wanted it.


No one was going to have any basement fights. Didn't happen and wasn't going to happen, nor should they have.

Because half the population was begging for it and the other half were not indifferent, but hostile towards it happening.

EXCERPT FROM:

When The Klan Ruled In Freeport, Long Island

"The Ku Klux Klan was openly active and influential in Freepor during the 1920s. According to a May 7, 1924 report in the Brooklyn Eagle, three people identified as Klan members, two men and a woman, were elected trustees of the Freeport School Board. Milford Van Riper, elected board chairman, and later a village trustee and comptroller and exalted ruler of the Freeport Elks, was also accused of Klan related activities."

New York Times, 21 September 1924

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Because half the population was begging for it and the other half were not indifferent, but hostile towards it happening.

EXCERPT FROM:

When The Klan Ruled In Freeport, Long Island

"The Ku Klux Klan was openly active and influential in Freepor during the 1920s. According to a May 7, 1924 report in the Brooklyn Eagle, three people identified as Klan members, two men and a woman, were elected trustees of the Freeport School Board. Milford Van Riper, elected board chairman, and later a village trustee and comptroller and exalted ruler of the Freeport Elks, was also accused of Klan related activities."

What does that have to do with the Dempsey Wills fight?

Half the population of what was against it?


2000 Klansmen, which the article says was less than expected, was certainly not the reason the fight didn't happen.

[Willie Pep 229]

What does that have to do with the Dempsey Wills fight?

Half the population of what was against it?


2000 Klansmen, which the article says was less than expected, was certainly not the reason the fight didn't happen.

You refuse to see the level of hate that permeated the social fabric and won't acknowledge the amount of resistance they were capable of mounting.

You keep bringing up the public opinion poll.

Don't you ever ask yourself why those numbers still failed to move the situation?

A. Because the opposition was hostile and aggressive.

P.S. 30K gathered to watch the parade and the Freeport Cheif of Police led it.

Haters are seldom in the majority but they are loud and aggressive and often steer the political course.

I don't need to give you a thousand historical examples, I know you know it is our political reality. A minority of haters can do great harm when they are determined.

OK here's just one example: neither abolitionists or secessionists ever held a majority (even combind in number) but boy did they give us one hell of a Civil War.

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You refuse to see the level of hate that permeated the social fabric and won't acknowledge the amount of resistance they were capable of mounting.

You keep bringing up the public opinion poll.

Don't you ever ask yourself why those numbers still failed to move the situation?

A. Because the opposition was hostile and aggressive.

P.S. 30K gathered to watch the parade and the Freeport Cheif of Police led it.

Haters are seldom in the majority but they are loud and aggressive and often steer the political course.

I don't need to give you a thousand historical examples, I know you know it is our political reality. A minority of haters can do great harm when they are determined.

OK here's just one example: neither abolitionists or secessionists ever held a majority (even combind in number) but boy did they give us one hell of a Civil War.

No. you just brought up something unrelated out of nowhere and tried to pass it off as being relevant.

Those polls are much more relevant than what you proposed.


And again, one of the NY Commissioners said himself that there was no barrier to the fight. Your response to that has been that he was Tammany and wanted the fight.


Yes. So what is the issue?


There were 5 million people in New York in 1920 and you are talking about Freeport LI. 30,000 watching doesn't mean they are necessarily for the Klan. And that certainly has NOTHING to do with Dempsey Wills in Manhattan.

[Willie Pep 229]

No. you just brought up something unrelated out of nowhere and tried to pass it off as being relevant.

Those polls are much more relevant than what you proposed.


And again, one of the NY Commissioners said himself that there was no barrier to the fight. Your response to that has been that he was Tammany and wanted the fight.


Yes. So what is the issue?

No hate is always related. You refuse to recognize the hatred many held for the Negro.

If popular opinion polls actually carried weight we wouldn't have needed a civil rights movement.

The polls must of meant nothing because they accomplished nothing! That should be obvious.

Yea I always agreed Tammanny (Farley) wanted the fight (it looks like Muldoon dudn't) but that wasn't enough. Too many obstacles; too many hurdles.

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No hate is always related. You refuse to recognize the hatred many held for the Negro.

If popular opinion polls actually carried weight we wouldn't have needed a civil rights movement.

The polls must of meant nothing because they accomplished nothing! That should be obvious.

Yea I always agreed Tammanny (Farley) wanted the fight (it looks like Muldoon dudn't) but that wasn't enough. Too many obstacles; too many hurdles.

They accomplished nothing because Kearns (which you admit), Rickard (which you admit), and Dempsey didn't want the fight. Even when Rickard was on board, Dempsey dodged out and pissed him off.

[Willie Pep 229]

They accomplished nothing because Kearns (which you admit), Rickard (which you admit), and Dempsey didn't want the fight. Even when Rickard was on board, Dempsey dodged out and pissed him off.

Agreed!

You are correct, at one point in 1922 it looked like Rickard was onboard. It was then left for Kearns to blow up the fight, which he did.

It was Kearns who was dodging Rickard.

Kearns used the possibilty of a Wills fight to keep Rickard locked down, while he went west looking for a fight he himself could promote.

And to repeat, when Rickard switch hats and announced he would promote the fight Kearns suddenly lost interest.

Kearns was running away from Rickard not Wills.

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Yea I always agreed Tammanny (Farley) wanted the fight (it looks like Muldoon dudn't) but that wasn't enough. Too many obstacles; too many hurdles.

Will you agree that Farley knew more about this than you and I combined??? Claimed he would quit if there were any opposition to it. Instead, he apparently stayed and had an honesty and integrity award named after him.

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Agreed!

You are correct, at one point in 1922 it looked like Rickard was onboard. It was then left for Kearns to blow up the fight, which he did.

It was Kearns who was dodging Rickard.

Kearns used the possibilty of a Wills fight to keep Rickard locked down, while he went west looking for a fight he himself could promote.

And to repeat, when Rickard switch hats and announced he would promote the fight Kearns suddenly lost interest.

Kearns was running away from Rickard not Wills.

If Rickard was on board, doesn't that prove the fight could have been made?