Ring Terminates Print Mag

[Willie Pep 229]

One Christmas ago my wife as a stocking stuffer bought me a subscription to The Ring online.

I didn't enjoy it, there is enough online info to read. I wanted the paper copy, it somehow brought me more joy. I barely used the online subscription and told her not to waste the money a second time.

[Rosco3387]

One Christmas ago my wife as a stocking stuffer bought me a subscription to The Ring online.

I didn't enjoy it, there is enough online info to read. I wanted the paper copy, it somehow brought me more joy. I barely used the online subscription and told her not to waste the money a second time.

Your dating yourself Pep! its ok... Same here. My favorite light reading are reprints of the "Shadow" lol. I still favor print media over the net.

[ShoulderRoll]

I had print subscriptions of both Ring and Black Belt within the past 10 years.

Sad to see Ring disappear but it wasn't up to date on current events. A bunch of news breaks on a weekly basis that it just couldn't keep up with.

That might have been ok in a bygone era but with Twitter and social media today it just became obsolete.

[jaded]

This should not come as a surprise to anyone. All print magazines are already gone or well on the way out, with few exceptions. The same is true of print newspaper, cigars and testosterone. The magazine was always exceptional except for a couple of short transitional periods, and was always the brain center of boxing over the past 100 years. Today we read electronically, and even schoolbooks and libraries are on borrowed time. Somebody here supposed that the Magazine was "circling the drain since Nat passed in the 70s", but (naturally), that's perfectly inaccurate. After Nat's death in 1972, the Nat Loubet, Burt Sugar, Nigel Collins and Steve Farhood eras produced some of the best issues ever, and for a time it was published in English, Spanish, Japanese and French.

Print media has gone the way of the dinosaur. The internet killed it. Daily newspapers used to be cash cows...none of them make money today.

[QueensburyRules]

This should not come as a surprise to anyone. All print magazines are already gone or well on the way out, with few exceptions. The same is true of print newspaper, cigars and testosterone. The magazine was always exceptional except for a couple of short transitional periods, and was always the brain center of boxing over the past 100 years. Today we read electronically, and even schoolbooks and libraries are on borrowed time. Somebody here supposed that the Magazine was "circling the drain since Nat passed in the 70s", but (naturally), that's perfectly inaccurate. After Nat's death in 1972, the Nat Loubet, Burt Sugar, Nigel Collins and Steve Farhood eras produced some of the best issues ever, and for a time it was published in English, Spanish, Japanese and French.

- - Somebody was me.

It was mid 70s when I scanned a Ring after the kids took over when Nat passed, and they had Ali over Joe Louis all time, and Ali was still fighting!

Something was tragically amiss, not that Nat was ever a perfect seer, but I know heresy when I see it. In short, I never bought into the new Ring. The old Ring was for me as a kid was a sorta boxing bible that was irreplaceable.

One of his last efforts in Nat’s own words:

As I have had it listed in The Ring Record Book for some years, my all-time rating of heavyweights is as follows: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis, 7. Sam Langford, 8. Gene Tunney, 9. Max Schmeling, 10. Rocky Marciano.

I started the annual ranking of heavyweights in the 1953 with only six listed: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis.

In later years I found it necessary to expand the ratings in all classes to top 10, with these top listings: heavyweights, Jack Johnson; light heavies, Kid McCoy; middleweights, Stan Ketchel; welters, Joe Walcott; lightweights, Joe Gans; feathers, Terry McGovern; bantams, George Dixon; flyweights, Jimmy Wilde.

For some time now I have been under great pressure from some readers of The Ring magazine and of The Ring Record Book, as well, to revise my ratings, especially in the heavyweight division.

Here is a strange facet to this pressure move. It has concerned, chiefly, Cassius Clay.

Never before in the history of the ratings did I find myself pressured to revise the listing of a heavyweight, right on top of a defeat.

There was considerable pressure to include Clay among the Top 10 during his 3 1/2-year interlude of inactivity.

But the campaign became stronger after Clay had returned with knockout victories over Jerry Quarry and Oscar Bonavena. The demand on behalf of Clay became strongest after he had been beaten by world champion Joe Frazier in a 15-round contest that saw Cassius decked in the final heat.

Clay’s fight with Frazier left thousands of his admirers, who had seen the contest over television, protesting that Clay had won and that the unanimous decision of referee Arthur Mercante and judges Artie Aidala and Bill Recht, was a hoax, or worse.

Before we go any farther, let us dispose of this point. Frazier was declared the winner without a dissenting vote because he was the winner with unanimous force and unbiased conviction.

Clay never hurt Frazier. He messed up Joe’s left eye and made it look as if there had been an indecisive result, or a definite verdict in favor of Clay. Clay’s gloves reached Frazier more often than Frazier’s punches reached Clay. But Cassius lacked force.

Clay was hurt, especially in the 11th and 15th rounds. Clay came near being knocked out in the play-acting 11th. Clay’s constant retreat to the ropes was the tipoff on the fight.

I sat in the first press row in the Garden and emphatically saw Clay beaten. However, we have thousands of Clay backers insisting that he had established himself as one of the all time Top 10.

I did not regard Ali as a member of the leading 10 before he got into his argument with the Federal Courts. I did not see, in the Clay record as it stood after his seven-round knockout of Zora Folley in New York on March 22, 1967, any reason for my revising the heavyweight listing to include Cassius among the all-time 10. Nor did the Quarry, Bonavena, and Frazier fights impress me to the point at which I found myself considering ousting one of my Great 10 to make room for Clay.

Suppose I suffered an aberration and decided to include Clay among the top 10. This would mean ousting Marciano to make room for Ali as my all-time number l0. That would be farcical. Clay never could have beaten Marciano. Clay’s record is not the superior of the one the tragic Rocky left behind him when he retired from boxing unbeaten.

I even had something to do with Clay’s winning the Olympic light heavyweight championship in Rome in 1960. I spotted him for a likely Gold Medal, but I did not like the way he was training–or rather, not training. Cassius was entertaining the gals of the Italian capital, with gags and harmonica playing, and forgetting what he had been entered for.

I gave him a lecture and a warning. Maybe it had something to do with his victory. Maybe he would have won just the same. But I doubt if my talk did any harm.

After Cassius had won the title I felt that we had another Floyd Patterson in the making. He did not have Patterson’s speed of hands at that time, but he had more speed of foot. And more animation, which, of course, is an understatement. Floyd never has been a paragon of vivacity.

As Clay left the Olympic ring a champion, I saw him growing fast into a heavyweight. And I treated myself to a dream. I said to myself, “This kid could go far. It all depends on his attitude, his ability to tackle his job earnestly and seriously. Some of his laughter could be a real asset.” Ultimately it was.

Neither animus nor bias, neither bigotry nor misjudgment, can be cited against me in my relations with Cassius Clay. After he had been found guilty of a felony by a Federal jury in Houston, and Judge Joe Ingraham had sentenced Ali to five years in a penitentiary and a fine of $10,000, there was a rush to take the title from the draft-refusing champion.

The Ring magazine refused to join in the campaign against Clay, a stand now thoroughly vindicated. The Ring insisted that Cassius was entitled to his day in court, and that his title could be taken from him only if he lost it in the ring, or he retired from boxing, as Marciano, Tunney, and Jeffries had done before him.

Pressure on The Ring was tremendous. But this magazine would not recede one iota from its never relaxed policy of fighting for Law and Order.

Only when Muhammad Ali announced that he would fight no more and asked permission to give The Ring world championship belt to the winner of the Frazier-Jimmy Ellis fight, did The Ring declare the title vacated and drop Clay from the ratings.

With Clay’s return to the ring, The Ring revived his rating among the top 10 heavyweights. Not until Frazier knocked out Ellis in five rounds did The Ring allocate the vacant world title to Joe.

I do not mean to derogate Clay as a boxer. I am thoroughly cognizant of every fistic attribute he throws into the arena, every impressive quality he displayed on his way to the title and in fighting off the challenges of Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, George Chuvalo, Henry Cooper, Brian London, Karl Mildenberger, Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, and Zora Folley.

When Ali went into his 3 1/2-year retirement, he had not yet achieved his personal crest. Nor did the fights with Quarry, Bonavena and Frazier, which marked his return to action, send him any farther in the direction of fulfillment of claims of his loyal supporters.

The way Cassius Clay stands, he does not qualify for rating with the greatest heavyweights of all time. Nor, the way the future shapes up for him, is he likely to qualify. Now his hands are quick. His footwork is quick. His punch is not the type that is calculated to stop a man forthwith, no matter what he did to Sonny Liston in their second encounter, at Lewiston, Maine.

Cassius has got to wear down his opponent. He has got to flick his glove into the eyes of the opposition, the way he did against Frazier. He has a style all his own. But its sui generis quality does not make him one of the top 10.

I want to give credit to Clay for punching boxing out of the doldrums into which it fell with the rise of Liston to the championship. Liston could not get a license in New York. Liston had a bad personal record. Liston was emphatically not good for boxing. Into the midst of this title situation came the effervescent kid from Louisville, favored by conditions, by his potential, by his personality and his clean personal record.

The situation called for a Clay and, fortunately, the situation was favored with one. He was the counterpart, in boxing, of Babe Ruth in baseball, after the Black Sox Scandal.

Through superior punching power, Frazier is Clay’s current better as a ringster. But Frazier has yet to develop the overall influence that Clay exercised. Nor does it appear likely that Joe will ever be to boxing what Cassius was when he became the world champion and when he stirred up world boxing with his exploits against the best opposition available pending the development of Frazier, another Olympic hero.

I have the utmost admiration for Cassius Clay as a ring technician. Certainly not for his attitude toward the United States and its armed forces. Of that mess he is legally clear.

I do not see Cassius Clay as a candidate for a place among the top 10 heavyweights. Nor may Frazier, his conqueror, eventually force me to revise my all-time heavyweight ratings.

[markusmod]

- - Started with a paid subscription to access ABC articles on their website. Dropped that requirement, but still needed a subscription to view the monthly issue. Did they stop that?

Based on the latest, the digital version of the mag is being dropped as well. They are just going to run it as a website.

[Ben Bolt]

Only when Muhammad Ali announced that he would fight no more and asked permission to give The Ring world championship belt to the winner of the Frazier-Jimmy Ellis fight, did The Ring declare the title vacated and drop Clay from the ratings.

Perhaps The Ring's proudest moment, to stick by Ali in the interim years.

[Ben Bolt]

I still favor print media over the net.

The magic of the print is that it invites you to read longer articles.

My experience is that we don't have the same patience when we are on the net.

[Rosco3387]

The magic of the print is that it invites you to read longer articles.

My experience is that we don't have the same patience when we are on the net.

Except that they are dumbing the media down... horribly. Scientific America used to run articles that ran at least 10 or so pages... Now a days? the articles are much shorter with more advertising, less in depth. This is just an example and it makes it impossible to keep up the standards one saw in media like Sports Illustrated, etc. mags like the martial arts never had the quality of other areas, so it neve affected my situation, but back in the day you could "sneak" in a decent piece in Black Belt Magazine. I doubt one could do so these days.

[Rosco3387]

Based on the latest, the digital version of the mag is being dropped as well. They are just going to run it as a website.

Starting next month... they will be downloading directly through the special nerve that comes out of the a n a l lining. One simply takes the desired print media and uses a suppository to load it up the rear... this was instituted by our own A nal crack!