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  • #71
    Add Charlie Z to this list. Very padded record of 359-0

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    • #72
      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

      With Jones, I felt that the fighters he was accused of ducking were all in Europe. He was a champion, and I didn't see why a champion had to chase a challenger fighting in their backyard. I think he was also reluctant to fight on their turf since his robbery in South Korea during Olympics. Outside of that I don't know who else he avoided in the CONUS. He was on a collision course with McCellan until his career ended with a brain injury in the Benn fight. I know Hopkins avoided him at 168 and priced himself out of the original rematch negotiations. He finally agreed to fight him after he was spent, and still tried to get him DQ'd with that pathetic acting job like he was shot in the head.
      You have it ass backwards. Everyone knows Daruisz Michalczewski was the world light-heavyweight champion. Roid was only ever an abc titlist.

      During his prime Roid managed to avoid Jackson, McClellan, Benn, Collins, Liles, Nunn, Rocchigiani, Calzaghe, Michalczewski, Hopkins II, Jirov.
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      • #73
        Originally posted by TeamElite View Post

        You have it ass backwards. Everyone knows Daruisz Michalczewski was the world light-heavyweight champion. Roid was only ever an abc titlist.

        During his prime Roid managed to avoid Jackson, McClellan, Benn, Collins, Liles, Nunn, Rocchigiani, Calzaghe, Michalczewski, Hopkins II, Jirov.
        Daruisz is the only one anyone can make an argument for, but again, Roy was the bigger draw, the much bigger star, he wasn't about to fight in Europe and give up his home field advantage, especially after being robbed in the Olympics.

        I watched Hopkins price himself out of the rematch while Roy was still at 168 and in his prime. Not sure how you can say he ducked Benn, Collins, Calzaghe who all insisted on fighting in Europe. McClellan and Jones were destined to meet until Gerald's career ending brain injury.

        I always thought Roy should have stopped at cruiser along the way to pick up another title in a another weight class. Can't say he ducked Jirov, he was already beaten by Toney.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

          Daruisz is the only one anyone can make an argument for, but again, Roy was the bigger draw, the much bigger star, he wasn't about to fight in Europe and give up his home field advantage, especially after being robbed in the Olympics.

          I watched Hopkins price himself out of the rematch while Roy was still at 168 and in his prime. Not sure how you can say he ducked Benn, Collins, Calzaghe who all insisted on fighting in Europe. McClellan and Jones were destined to meet until Gerald's career ending brain injury.

          I always thought Roy should have stopped at cruiser along the way to pick up another title in a another weight class. Can't say he ducked Jirov, he was already beaten by Toney.
          I don't know where this "star" bs is coming from. For the majority of his career Roid couldn't draw flies to a dump.

          HBO offered him at shot a Jirov's title. Roid turned it down. Fact.

          Benn, Collins, Calzaghe all insisted on fighting in Europe?? Stop making stuff up.

          Judging by his behaviour there's no way in hell he would've got in the ring with McClellan.

          You don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

          Let me help you, so you don't even have to try doing any research;

          Rivals Roid Jones ducked: Steve Collins (and more)

          Roid Jones, Jr: The Nunn-Rocchigiani-WBC Scandal

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          • #75
            Originally posted by TeamElite View Post

            I don't know where this "star" bs is coming from. For the majority of his career Roid couldn't draw flies to a dump.

            HBO offered him at shot a Jirov's title. Roid turned it down. Fact.

            Benn, Collins, Calzaghe all insisted on fighting in Europe?? Stop making stuff up.

            Judging by his behaviour there's no way in hell he would've got in the ring with McClellan.

            You don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

            Let me help you, so you don't even have to try doing any research;

            Rivals Roid Jones ducked: Steve Collins (and more)

            Roid Jones, Jr: The Nunn-Rocchigiani-WBC Scandal
            I know what I'm talking about, Jones was Ring magazine FOTY in 1994, and the World Boxing Hall of Fame named him the FOTY for 2003. He is also a three-time winner of the Best Boxer ESPY Award (1996, 2000, and 2003). The Boxing Writers Association of America named him as the Fighter of the Decade for the 1990s. None of the fighters you listed come close to those credentials.

            You remind me of another rude and ignorant Brit who posts here with the same belligerent tone and insults. Try harder. ​

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            • #76
              Originally posted by TeamElite View Post

              I don't know where this "star" bs is coming from. For the majority of his career Roid couldn't draw flies to a dump.

              HBO offered him at shot a Jirov's title. Roid turned it down. Fact.

              Benn, Collins, Calzaghe all insisted on fighting in Europe?? Stop making stuff up.

              Judging by his behaviour there's no way in hell he would've got in the ring with McClellan.

              You don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

              Let me help you, so you don't even have to try doing any research;

              Rivals Roid Jones ducked: Steve Collins (and more)

              Roid Jones, Jr: The Nunn-Rocchigiani-WBC Scandal
              Just out of curiosity, how could HBO offer Jones a shot at Jirov's title? Wouldn't that have been the IBF's position to do such a thing? Also, how could Jones have gotten a shot without a top 10 ranking at Cruiserweight?

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              • #77
                Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

                Daruisz is the only one anyone can make an argument for, but again, Roy was the bigger draw, the much bigger star, he wasn't about to fight in Europe and give up his home field advantage, especially after being robbed in the Olympics.

                I watched Hopkins price himself out of the rematch while Roy was still at 168 and in his prime. Not sure how you can say he ducked Benn, Collins, Calzaghe who all insisted on fighting in Europe. McClellan and Jones were destined to meet until Gerald's career ending brain injury.

                I always thought Roy should have stopped at cruiser along the way to pick up another title in a another weight class. Can't say he ducked Jirov, he was already beaten by Toney.
                Jones was a ducker. I have always said it. A fighter does not miss that many top opponents by accident. You just admitted that it was Jones who would not fight them. Isn't it strange that a man considered the best of his time in his prime, if not the best ever, can't even make the top ten light heavyweights anymore? That is not because he was KO'd a few times while he was old, but because he was a ducker in his prime. People finally realized just how weak his ledger was, by buggery. He fought Toney and Hopkins right at the beginning, and that was it for Roid.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                  Just out of curiosity, how could HBO offer Jones a shot at Jirov's title? Wouldn't that have been the IBF's position to do such a thing? Also, how could Jones have gotten a shot without a top 10 ranking at Cruiserweight?
                  No idea. A titlist moving up a weight class straight into a title fight isn't unusual. The IBF ultimately could've refused to sanction it I guess. Seems he instead chose to defend the 175lb IBF title in a mandatory vs Woods for $500k less;

                  There's No Stopping Roy Jones
                  By Jason Probst​, maxb*xing.com
                  03-06-2002​

                  Originally hoping to pit Jones against Vassily Jirov, HBO's efforts at the match broke down for numerous reasons. Woods took Jones to court to force his mandatory shot; and HBO's offer of a half-million more for the light heavyweight king to take on the IBF cruiserweight champ was not satisfactory, in his estimation.
                  "They only offered me a half million more to fight Jirov than Woods. Why would I do that? I don't think (Woods) did a damned thing to earn a shot at me. They threatened to strip me and I'm not gonna give up my titles like that. I cannot help it. I love being champion," Jones said.
                  Last edited by TeamElite; 11-02-2022, 04:46 PM.
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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by TeamElite View Post

                    No idea. A titlist moving up a weight class straight into a title fight isn't unusual. The IBF ultimately could've refused to sanction it I guess. Seems he instead chose to defend the 175lb IBF title in a mandatory vs Woods for $500k less;

                    There's No Stopping Roy Jones
                    By Jason Probst​, maxb*xing.com
                    03-06-2002​

                    Originally hoping to pit Jones against Vassily Jirov, HBO's efforts at the match broke down for numerous reasons. Woods took Jones to court to force his mandatory shot; and HBO's offer of a half-million more for the light heavyweight king to take on the IBF cruiserweight champ was not satisfactory, in his estimation.
                    "They only offered me a half million more to fight Jirov than Woods. Why would I do that? I don't think (Woods) did a damned thing to earn a shot at me. They threatened to strip me and I'm not gonna give up my titles like that. I cannot help it. I love being champion," Jones said.
                    Thank you for showing a source.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post

                      Jones was a ducker. I have always said it. A fighter does not miss that many top opponents by accident. You just admitted that it was Jones who would not fight them. Isn't it strange that a man considered the best of his time in his prime, if not the best ever, can't even make the top ten light heavyweights anymore? That is not because he was KO'd a few times while he was old, but because he was a ducker in his prime. People finally realized just how weak his ledger was, by buggery. He fought Toney and Hopkins right at the beginning, and that was it for Roid.
                      - - IBRO ALL-TIME RATINGS December 31, 2019 Light-Heavyweight Results

                      1. Ezzard Charles (586) 2. Archie Moore (538) 3. Gene Tunney (495) 4. Sam Langford (468) 5. Bob Foster (451) 6. Mike Spinks (434) 7. Tommy Loughran (403) 8. Billy Conn (371) 9. Harry Greb (325) 10. Roy Jones Jr. (258) 11. Bob Fitzsimmons (232) 12. Harold Johnson (206) 13. Maxie Rosenbloom (205) 14. Tommy Gibbons (188) 15. John Henry Lewis (163) 16. Jimmy Bivins (111) 17. Matthew Saad Muhammad (105) 18. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien (104) 19. Jack Dillon (95) 20. Dwight Qawi
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