Did Monzon Benefit From Crooked Judges As Left Hook States ?

[Ivich]

Well?
Left Hook stated this in a thread.
"Referees from South America cheated for him as well, calling fouls against opponents who had not committed a foul. .You can see this in the second Briscoe fight. Finally, Briscoe became afraid to body punch for fear of another warning A referee of one of his fights was later that day seen carrying Monzon's bags at the airport."
Do you believe this?
Briscoe had no points deducted for low blows, headwork ,or kidney punches all discretions which he committed
If you believe Left Hook please give instances of fouls that were called in his fights that hadnt been committed.
Please also name the crooked referees ?
He hasnt been able to do so all he has done is cite the 2nd Briscoe fight as evidence of favourtism towards Monzon.
I watched the fight a few days ago I think the referee was unjustified on one occasion when he 1st warned Briscoe for being careless with the head,The 2nd warning for the same offence was justified imo.
If a referee was on the take for Monzon would he not deduct a point after a couple of warnings?
In which of Monzon's fights did this happen?

I operate on the theory that if you make a statement its up to you to prove it if someone disagrees with it.
That seems to me to be logical and fair.
Here is the fight.
Carlos Monzón vs Bennie Briscoe II November 11, 1972 - YouTube

[Willie Pep 229]

Like the judges, a referee has a traditional obligation to favor the house corner.

Think how unfair it would be to all those road warrior, who in past got jobbed out a victory; or how it would throw the record books into complete chaos if the game suddenly became fair? We wouldn't know what to think, not to mention we would have considerably less to talk about.

"Controversy, Controversy! Controversy is good for the game." Anglo Dundee.

Seriously, I once saw a fight where the local favorite got knocked down hard by an opponent who forgot his place. The Latino referee immediately stopped the fight, for a reason never actually explained. The fighter's seconds literally picked him up off the canvas and placed him on a stool and revived him. Once ready the referee waved the fighters back together and the fight resumed. I wish to God I could remember the fighter's name, but I can't.

It was in the early 80s, on either USA or ESPN and was down south in Latin America. The American announcers covered the delay by offering multiple explanations as to why the referee may have halted the fight and then promptly cease the speculation once the fight continued. As if it all never happened.

Back to being cheeky. The problem here is your disrespect for boxing traditions. "It's people like you that cause unrest."

The only referees more crooked than Latinos speak Italian (my guys.)

P.S. In Monzon-Benvenuti I the fans attacked the German referee for having the audacity of counting Nino out. I never understood what they expected the poor guy to do.

[Willie Pep 229]

Oh, in case I wasn't clear. Yea, I suspect the ref was titled Monzon's way.

[mrbig1]

To me there is no doubt the ref was leading toward Monzon. what gets lost in all this is that Monzon was a master boxer. If the ref did not interfere would Brisco have won? I don't think so.

[QueensburyRules]

Like the judges, a referee has a traditional obligation to favor the house corner.

Think how unfair it would be to all those road warrior, who in past got jobbed out a victory; or how it would throw the record books into complete chaos if the game suddenly became fair? We wouldn't know what to think, not to mention we would have considerably less to talk about.

"Controversy, Controversy! Controversy is good for the game." Anglo Dundee.

Seriously, I once saw a fight where the local favorite got knocked down hard by an opponent who forgot his place. The Latino referee immediately stopped the fight, for a reason never actually explained. The fighter's seconds literally picked him up off the canvas and placed him on a stool and revived him. Once ready the referee waved the fighters back together and the fight resumed. I wish to God I could remember the fighter's name, but I can't.

It was in the early 80s, on either USA or ESPN and was down south in Latin America. The American announcers covered the delay by offering multiple explanations as to why the referee may have halted the fight and then promptly cease the speculation once the fight continued. As if it all never happened.

Back to being cheeky. The problem here is your disrespect for boxing traditions. "It's people like you that cause unrest."
The only referees more crooked than Latinos speak Italian (my guys.)

P.S. In Monzon-Benvenuti I the fans attacked the German referee for having the audacity of counting Nino out. I never understood what they expected the poor guy to do.

- - Joe "I'm fairly infirm" jumped in to keep Khan already half down upright so Maidana couldn't finish him. Like Bayliss, anytime the hot shot is in trouble, jump in to stop the action to buy time for the reset. At one point Cortez leaped in from behind to pin Maidana arms so he couldn't punch Khan.

Laurence Cole riding Loma back the whole of the Salido fight priceless. Same deal with Bayliss riding Canelo first half of his fight vs l'l floydy. Terry O'Conner had to carry the Kov dropped undefeated Cleverly to his corner for a revival that never occurred. I understand the Mathematic Degreed Cleverly soon was punch drunk from what I last heard as he didn't last long after this fight.

[kara]

To me there is no doubt the ref was leading toward Monzon. what gets lot in all this is that Monzon was a master boxer. If the ref did not interfere would Brisco have won? I don't think so.

I don't think he would have won either.

[Ivich]

Like the judges, a referee has a traditional obligation to favor the house corner.

Think how unfair it would be to all those road warrior, who in past got jobbed out a victory; or how it would throw the record books into complete chaos if the game suddenly became fair? We wouldn't know what to think, not to mention we would have considerably less to talk about.

"Controversy, Controversy! Controversy is good for the game." Anglo Dundee.

Seriously, I once saw a fight where the local favorite got knocked down hard by an opponent who forgot his place. The Latino referee immediately stopped the fight, for a reason never actually explained. The fighter's seconds literally picked him up off the canvas and placed him on a stool and revived him. Once ready the referee waved the fighters back together and the fight resumed. I wish to God I could remember the fighter's name, but I can't.

It was in the early 80s, on either USA or ESPN and was down south in Latin America. The American announcers covered the delay by offering multiple explanations as to why the referee may have halted the fight and then promptly cease the speculation once the fight continued. As if it all never happened.

Back to being cheeky. The problem here is your disrespect for boxing traditions. "It's people like you that cause unrest."

The only referees more crooked than Latinos speak Italian (my guys.)

P.S. In Monzon-Benvenuti I the fans attacked the German referee for having the audacity of counting Nino out. I never understood what they expected the poor guy to do.

.Did you see any blatant bias? The most corrupt referees have been continental imo and some of the German decisions among the worst.

[Willie Pep 229]

.Did you see any blatant bias? The most corrupt referees have been continental imo and some of the German decisions among the worst.

No I wouldn't claim I did for that particular fight. There has just been so much bad refereeing over the decades I have been watching that I no longer get angry and have learned to laugh at it.

As Queenie points out above so much is so obvious.

In another sense we need to separate bias from refereeing style. We must accept some bad calls or decision maming so long as a ref is consistent in his calls/behavior.

[Anthony342]

.Did you see any blatant bias? The most corrupt referees have been continental imo and some of the German decisions among the worst.

You mean like with Sven Ottke? I heard he had a personal ref after a while, is that true?

[Science]

Carlos Monzon wasn't that good, competition in Argentina was/is bad.