Did Bob Foster Have Harder One Shot Power Than Archie Moore?

[billeau2]

Not true. You have no way to even quantify that. Louis could still punch. Louis stayed physically active during the war, let’s not use that as an excuse. Moore was a LHW dropping a HW, Louis couldn’t finish a LHW in Bivins, who Archie KO’d easily several times.

Moore KO’d and dropped better opposition than Foster.

There should be an unspoken rule when debating these things: When someone decides to "qualify" a fighter, vis a vis make excuses why that fighter wasn't at his best for fight A, or B, whatever... they should have to qualify every fight for both debated fighters involved. That would reinforce how silly it is to assume one can know things like Louis' power lacking against a certain opponent. So in this case? Foster fought every guy at his apex lol, as opposed to Moore when he fought Louis right?

[billeau2]

Its hard to quantify power other than to point out how consistent Moore was. We might as well compare Deontay Wilder to Moore: You just can't. Moore's power carried across weight limits, and was part of his other excellent skill sets. Foster was a wonderful fighter. We can never really know whether his problems with Frazier were (as assumed) because of a lack of size and power.

[GhostofDempsey]

There should be an unspoken rule when debating these things: When someone decides to "qualify" a fighter, vis a vis make excuses why that fighter wasn't at his best for fight A, or B, whatever... they should have to qualify every fight for both debated fighters involved. That would reinforce how silly it is to assume one can know things like Louis' power lacking against a certain opponent. So in this case? Foster fought every guy at his apex lol, as opposed to Moore when he fought Louis right?

It’s a fool’s errand trying to get some people to budge from a position where they are already dug in with no intention of listening to reason. Moore had 3x as many fights (wear and tear) as Louis when Archie dropped Marciano. Moore was 41. Louis was 37 when he fought Rocky and as everyone knows, the last thing to go on a fighter is his punch. Joe could still punch. Louis fought to a controversial decision win over Bivins, a fighter who Archie had knocked out easily 3 or 4 times. Foster on the other hand, was never competitive with any of the HW’s he fought. Unless Ivach considers Mike Quarry a legitimate contender.

[Ivich]

There should be an unspoken rule when debating these things: When someone decides to "qualify" a fighter, vis a vis make excuses why that fighter wasn't at his best for fight A, or B, whatever... they should have to qualify every fight for both debated fighters involved. That would reinforce how silly it is to assume one can know things like Louis' power lacking against a certain opponent. So in this case? Foster fought every guy at his apex lol, as opposed to Moore when he fought Louis right?

Ever read an article concerning Louis' post war power which equated it with his ability to deliver it to his pre post war inactivity?
Ever watched his post war fights?
Ever thought he would have stopped,Brion,Bivins,Agramonte if he had been in his prime?l
Ever wondered why he could only stop Beshore on cuts,a used up Savold,as past his best as Louis was, and ko'd only Savold and Andy Walker ,[a 2nd rate trial horse who was stopped 10 times,] in the 10th and final round,a man who had been stopped by15-4-3 Jessie Hall in 4 rds,floored twice along the way and stopped by Bob Dunlap 4-0-0- in 3 rds
Ever wondered why the likes of Jimmy Cannon,Red Smith ,and AJ Leibling,wrote pieces saying his ability to deliver that power was compromised because of eroded reflexes?
You really are an arse!

[Ivich]

Its hard to quantify power other than to point out how consistent Moore was. We might as well compare Deontay Wilder to Moore: You just can't. Moore's power carried across weight limits, and was part of his other excellent skill sets. Foster was a wonderful fighter. We can never really know whether his problems with Frazier were (as assumed) because of a lack of size and power.

Wilder is widely considered to be among the top ten power punchers at heavyweight.Some proclaim him the top heavyweight ****er of all time..
Anyone ever made either of those claims for Moore?

[Ivich]

It’s a fool’s errand trying to get some people to budge from a position where they are already dug in with no intention of listening to reason. Moore had 3x as many fights (wear and tear) as Louis when Archie dropped Marciano. Moore was 41. Louis was 37 when he fought Rocky and as everyone knows, the last thing to go on a fighter is his punch. Joe could still punch. Louis fought to a controversial decision win over Bivins, a fighter who Archie had knocked out easily 3 or 4 times. Foster on the other hand, was never competitive with any of the HW’s he fought. Unless Ivach considers Mike Quarry a legitimate contender.

Foster fought 29 men above the lhvy limit ie classified as heavyweights he stopped 26 of them.So the statement that he was never competitive with heavies is total BS.
Five of his losses came to ranked heavyweights, 3 were title holders.
I am in no way entrenched on this question, all I'm am trying to do is provoke debate, which BTW seems to be heartily discouraged here.
My own view is that Moore was the superior Lhvy and Hvy and the superior puncher , but that Foster had superior one shot power.It's debatable imo, which is rather the point of the thread!
Certainly Moore beat better heavies but the idea Foster could not hurt the bigger men is crap! He floored Whitehurst and stopped Besmanoff.Foster's problem,imo was his frame could not take the bigger men's punches.Moore was built along much sturdier lines.
NB you need to be able to deliver power and ,if your reflexes /legs are not compliant you cannot do so .Power is the last thing to go is a lazy oft repeated statement that should include several riders.If George Foreman, at his current age had a stationary target in front of him he could probably still deck him,if that guy was mobile chances are he couldn't deliver his power to the target.
This was emphatically demonstrated when George fought Morrison in 93 and Savarese and Briggs in 97.
Fighters age at different rates ,Louis was through at 37, Tom Sharkey at 29.Walcott was still a fine fighter at 38 but ,imo not the guy who had taken Louis so close six years earlier.Louis said he knew he didn't have it against Charles,but that pre war he thought he would have stopped him inside 7rds.With ring rounds Louis managed to get some of his timing back after Charles trounced but his Brown Bomber power never returned and anyone who says different should take up watching wrestling. Not just my ,"average fans," opinion ,but that of all the major sports writers of his time.

[Ivich]

- - Sheriff Bob had the one shot quitter at LH, but was never a ranked Ring Hvy like Archie who was ranked always at LH and often at Hvy.

Archie had the "nuance" that Sheriff Bob could only dream off.

Irrelevant we are discussing and comparing one shot power not where either were ranked.

[QueensburyRules]

Irrelevant we are discussing and comparing one shot power not where either were ranked.

- - Oh, deary, I gotta tuck in a presumably growed man's Bib and cut up his steak for him.

Already stated the Sheriff had the one hitter quitter at LH, but was never ranked at heavy, and now, gasp, pay attention! He was never ranked at heavy because he failed miserably.

Archie power carried to heavy where he could KO heavies.

Now squall fer U minder to unbib U and take away U fork befer U injure U.

[billeau2]

Ever read an article concerning Louis' post war power which equated it with his ability to deliver it to his pre post war inactivity?
Ever watched his post war fights?
Ever thought he would have stopped,Brion,Bivins,Agramonte if he had been in his prime?l
Ever wondered why he could only stop Beshore on cuts,a used up Savold,as past his best as Louis was, and ko'd only Savold and Andy Walker ,[a 2nd rate trial horse who was stopped 10 times,] in the 10th and final round,a man who had been stopped by15-4-3 Jessie Hall in 4 rds,floored twice along the way and stopped by Bob Dunlap 4-0-0- in 3 rds
Ever wondered why the likes of Jimmy Cannon,Red Smith ,and AJ Leibling,wrote pieces saying his ability to deliver that power was compromised because of eroded reflexes?
You really are an arse!

I I am an arse because I understand what I do not know... lol. Blowhard listen: You do not know the extent of Moore's versus Louis' decline in punching power... People who are casuals often will "explain away" one fighters performance, as though every fighter does not deal with the same situations. Its nothing personal grand poo pa!

[billeau2]

- - Oh, deary, I gotta tuck in a presumably growed man's Bib and cut up his steak for him.

Already stated the Sheriff had the one hitter quitter at LH, but was never ranked at heavy, and now, gasp, pay attention! He was never ranked at heavy because he failed miserably.

Archie power carried to heavy where he could KO heavies.

Now squall fer U minder to unbib U and take away U fork befer U injure U.

I wouldn't say he failed miserably... buts that just me lol. Good post.