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  • Did American Boxing Originate From The Knights?

    I do know boxing and wrestling has roots that go all the way back to ancient Greece but I heard that the knights during medieval times had boxing as well as wrestling as forms of combat and that American boxing can trace its roots back to the boxing that the knights did, is there any truth to this?

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    Originally posted by Photon Guy View Post
    I do know boxing and wrestling has roots that go all the way back to ancient Greece but I heard that the knights during medieval times had boxing as well as wrestling as forms of combat and that American boxing can trace its roots back to the boxing that the knights did, is there any truth to this?
    Likely some of it. Since the london rules and bareknuckle prize fighting goes back 100+ years before the marquee of the queenbury rules and a lot of it is documented. I’d assume it goes way back, since its related to fencing. I did hear boxing borrowed a lot from burmese boxing as well.

    boxing is so old, the fact that some of it is even documented 200 years ago makes you wonder how big it was at the time, because they documented next to nothing when it came to every day stuff of leasure back then. A good trainer always had apprentices to pass info on. Which is a medieval system.

    on a further note: the romans had boxing. And they were quite strategic too. I read somewhere they trained their soldiers to swap ranks mid combat in a maneuver involving the large shield they used. Apparently they would swap ranks every 20 mins or so preventing the regiment from ever tiring. They could fight fresh this way for 12 hours. Apparently the psychological effect of it on enemies was devistating once they figured out what was happening.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by them_apples View Post

      Likely some of it. Since the london rules and bareknuckle prize fighting goes back 100+ years before the marquee of the queenbury rules and a lot of it is documented. I’d assume it goes way back, since its related to fencing. I did hear boxing borrowed a lot from burmese boxing as well.

      boxing is so old, the fact that some of it is even documented 200 years ago makes you wonder how big it was at the time, because they documented next to nothing when it came to every day stuff of leasure back then. A good trainer always had apprentices to pass info on. Which is a medieval system.

      on a further note: the romans had boxing. And they were quite strategic too. I read somewhere they trained their soldiers to swap ranks mid combat in a maneuver involving the large shield they used. Apparently they would swap ranks every 20 mins or so preventing the regiment from ever tiring. They could fight fresh this way for 12 hours. Apparently the psychological effect of it on enemies was devistating once they figured out what was happening.
      I always thought it morphed from Gladiator games.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by markusmod View Post

        I always thought it morphed from Gladiator games.
        I think it was either apart of the games or olympic games. Sometimes they wrapped the hands w leather and studs or dunked the leather in glue and broken glass. I’m not sure if thats the same sport though, since what we know about history and its details are lost for the most part.

        roman boxing involved a lot of chopping attacks and blocking with the forearms. The straight fist technique came later and from Burma (if I recall). The fist was not always thought of as a weapon because the small bones in the hands break so easily. It was the Asian countries that showed you could harden the hands enough through conditioning and turn them into small rocks. Which funny enough, was apart of boxing all the way up until the 70s. Punching buckets of sand and ducking the hands in brine, small thumbless bag gloves to dig the knuckles, pushups on knuckles and even putting the hands in an ice box and hitting a hard surface. Many fighters suffered with hand problems later in their careers and in retirement.
        Last edited by them_apples; 05-12-2022, 12:58 AM.

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        • #5
          Yes. The Knights of Columbus, in particular, I've heard tell. Ol' Chris is back! Let's return his statues to their rightful pedestals, lads. Almost everyone is proud of Columbus but the nasty ol' wreckers.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by them_apples View Post

            I think it was either apart of the games or olympic games. Sometimes they wrapped the hands w leather and studs or dunked the leather in glue and broken glass. I’m not sure if thats the same sport though, since what we know about history and its details are lost for the most part.

            roman boxing involved a lot of chopping attacks and blocking with the forearms. The straight fist technique came later and from Burma (if I recall). The fist was not always thought of as a weapon because the small bones in the hands break so easily. It was the Asian countries that showed you could harden the hands enough through conditioning and turn them into small rocks. Which funny enough, was apart of boxing all the way up until the 70s. Punching buckets of sand and ducking the hands in brine, small thumbless bag gloves to dig the knuckles, pushups on knuckles and even putting the hands in an ice box and hitting a hard surface. Many fighters suffered with hand problems later in their careers and in retirement.
            We need to ask Rockin. According to Siablo, Rockin was the one who outboxed Sparticus.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
              Yes. The Knights of Columbus, in particular, I've heard tell. Ol' Chris is back! Let's return his statues to their rightful pedestals, lads. Almost everyone is proud of Columbus but the nasty ol' wreckers.
              Yes they hosted several Mike Fund fundraising - big in the 1920s and 30s - it is even possible the infamous Dempsey-Jeannette non-enconter was a KofC sponsored event.

              Which kind of makes sense since the organization was populated with Irish, Italian, and Polish Catholics.

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