Larry Holmes vs WBA champs

[JAB5239]

There were 7 WBA champions during Holmes reign as the world heavyweight champion from 1978 till 1985. They had a total of 4 successful defenses. How would Holmes do agai st these fighters if he were able to fight them in their first title defenses?

Muhammad Ali 1978 - retired after beating Leon Spinks by 15 round decision.

John Tate 1979 - beat Gerrie Coetzee for title than lost first defense by 15 round KO to Mike Weaver.

Mike Weaver 1980 - beat Tate by KO15, successfully defended his title twice. First defense was a 13 round stoppage of Gerrie Coetzee.

Michael Dokes 1982 - beat Weaver by first round KO. Only successful defense was a majority draw vs Weaver.

Gerrie Coetzee 1983 - Stopped Dokes in 10. Lost first defense to Greg Page by 8 round KO.

Greg Page 1984 - lost forst defense to Tony Tubbs by UD.

Tony Tubbs 1985 - lost first defense to Tim Witherspoon

How would Holmes fare against these fighters in their first defense as WBA champion?

[mrbig1]

Wins them all. Dokes at his best would give Larry a good fight at first but then Holmes takes over. So, Yes he wins vs all of them. Let me add how week his era was.

[QueensburyRules]

There were 7 WBA champions during Holmes reign as the world heavyweight champion from 1978 till 1985. They had a total of 4 successful defenses. How would Holmes do agai st these fighters if he were able to fight them in their first title defenses?

Muhammad Ali 1978 - retired after beating Leon Spinks by 15 round decision.

John Tate 1979 - beat Gerrie Coetzee for title than lost first defense by 15 round KO to Mike Weaver.

Mike Weaver 1980 - beat Tate by KO15, successfully defended his title twice. First defense was a 13 round stoppage of Gerrie Coetzee.

Michael Dokes 1982 - beat Weaver by first round KO. Only successful defense was a majority draw vs Weaver.

Gerrie Coetzee 1983 - Stopped Dokes in 10. Lost first defense to Greg Page by 8 round KO.

Greg Page 1984 - lost forst defense to Tony Tubbs by UD.

Tony Tubbs 1985 - lost first defense to Tim Witherspoon

How would Holmes fare against these fighters in their first defense as WBA champion?

- - In summation, at the height of his career when Lar wins and then loses his single title, he avoids every single one of them making what should have been into a would've happened fantasy question.

Sorta like Fury today ducking out on the Wlad rematch and later turning down multi life changing purses to fight AJ, to instead fight Deyonce for peanuts and cereal box title.

In such scenarios, have to figure they didn't fancy their chances and likely been intimidated with thoughts of losing and the shame of public derision that follows losing.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - In summation, at the height of his career when Lar wins and then loses his single title, he avoids every single one of them making what should have been into a would've happened fantasy question.

Sorta like Fury today ducking out on the Wlad rematch and later turning down multi life changing purses to fight AJ, to instead fight Deyonce for peanuts and cereal box title.

In such scenarios, have to figure they didn't fancy their chances and likely been intimidated with thoughts of losing and the shame of public derision that follows losing.

That has to be the biggest stain on Fury's legacy. You don't sneak into the title via a decision over a multi year champion and then claim you can't give him a rematch because you been 'nervous lately.'

Lineal is no cereal box title, 'undisputed' is the bogus title, those are the manufactured, politically positioned champions. What grade U in?

[JAB5239]

- - In summation, at the height of his career when Lar wins and then loses his single title, he avoids every single one of them making what should have been into a would've happened fantasy question.

Sorta like Fury today ducking out on the Wlad rematch and later turning down multi life changing purses to fight AJ, to instead fight Deyonce for peanuts and cereal box title.

In such scenarios, have to figure they didn't fancy their chances and likely been intimidated with thoughts of losing and the shame of public derision that follows losing.

Yet he didn't avoid them. He beat Ali and in fact he signed to fight Coetzee, had beaten Weaver twice, beat Witherspoon and Smith, both who would go on to hold the WBA title. Hardly sounds like ducking.

[Dynamite76]

If Tubbs was in shape, he would have a shot at beating Holmes. Dokes was his sparring partner early on, and he said Michael couldn't handle his jab. He would beat the others including Page who was a very disinterested fighter by then.

[QueensburyRules]

Yet he didn't avoid them. He beat Ali and in fact he signed to fight Coetzee, had beaten Weaver twice, beat Witherspoon and Smith, both who would go on to hold the WBA title. Hardly sounds like ducking.

- - Maybe U could get thy minder to translate the above into something logical.

The First Time Lar fought a guy actually holding a title won in the Ring, He'd been boxing 12 years and seen dozen or more champions come and go of both WBC/WBA persuasion.

And he lost.

And he lost badly.

The End until his regrettable Big George Wannabee comeback, knocked to the canvas by Butterbean in his last Ring moments.

Thanks for the memories

[JAB5239]

- - Maybe U could get thy minder to translate the above into something logical.

The First Time Lar fought a guy actually holding a title won in the Ring, He'd been boxing 12 years and seen dozen or more champions come and go of both WBC/WBA persuasion.

And he lost.

And he lost badly.

The End until his regrettable Big George Wannabee comeback, knocked to the canvas by Butterbean in his last Ring moments.

Thanks for the memories

Your alcohol induced and warped look at history concerning Holmes is almost as comical as it is sad. You can't find a respected historian that doesn't have Holmes in their top 10. Most have him top 5 all time.

The fact you say Holmes was ducking the WBA pretenders (pretending to be the world champion) when he had already fought several, signed and had a fight fall out with one and beat 2 future WBA titlists tells us you have an ax to grind for some unseen reason. You're anything but objective on the topic.

[QueensburyRules]

Your alcohol induced and warped look at history concerning Holmes is almost as comical as it is sad. You can't find a respected historian that doesn't have Holmes in their top 10. Most have him top 5 all time.

The fact you say Holmes was ducking the WBA pretenders (pretending to be the world champion) when he had already fought several, signed and had a fight fall out with one and beat 2 future WBA titlists tells us you have an ax to grind for some unseen reason. You're anything but objective on the topic.

- - 12 Years is longer than most careers, but fax are U boy lost to the first fighter holding a title won in the ring, and lost badly.

And it only got worse.

Playing the Respected Historian Card are U? They too sniffy for this forum and don't wanna risk getting beat up in public.

[JAB5239]

- - 12 Years is longer than most careers, but fax are U boy lost to the first fighter holding a title won in the ring, and lost badly.

And it only got worse.

Playing the Respected Historian Card are U? They too sniffy for this forum and don't wanna risk getting beat up in public.

That's funny. Cliff Rold not only posts here, he writes for this website. Has Holmes ranked 4th all time.

Nothing you have written means a thing and has nothing to do with the topic. What's next, Luther McCarty was better than Holmes?