Dempsey and Marciano switch opposition

[Willie Pep 229]

I only skimmed after the first like because I have no clue where you got fixed fights from. I was leaning into his unimportance.

Langford drop just a ton of fights to guys he could have probably beaten, it's well accepted. When you're talking about one of those fellas the fact that they tied or beat Sam is put over like this big achievement. Looks good until your bring context to it and understand why Sam was overworked or not taking the fight seriously or whatever.

Kid McCoy KO'd Peter Maher, twice. Sounds great until you understand that Kid did nothing but trick Maher into taking it easy on him and then took advantage of Maher being there to pantomime. Kind of takes some of Kid's perceived power away from the first statement huh?

couple wins over some mid level, some draws over top level, yeah I know this story and no it's not impressive, every fool from the era has the same one.

No I asked you about the ones that Langford got for free, not the ones he had to give away. You keep saying it was an era wide event so that means Langford like Miske must have been on both sides if it, no?

I like the way you just skimmed over my post; got so confused you couldn't find the time to read it. Or I guess I just write garbage not worth reading.

But not when it came to Langford, that you spotted and then informed me he got 'jobbed' but then failed to see it the other way.

You read and understand at your (agenda's) convenience.

You hold an anger against white fighters from the color line era. You see a great injustice, and you are correct it was a great injustice, but your anger has created a affected bias in you against a niche group of white fighters from that era.

On this topic you are like a constant tom tom ****ing out the same message; you practice a double standard because of your anger towards the color line and your posts are predictable, and I say almost always unfair.

[Marchegiano]

- - Willard, Brennan, and Firpo massively bigger/stronger/powerful punchers than anyone Rocky fought, and prime Tunney better than shopworn Charles and JJ in their last relevant days as contenders.

Don't look like you thought this out very well, a failing grade.

Yeah, I know, Tunney's so great he has a resume of Dempsey and Greb. With his basic boxing bull****.

Love how I went to technique and youse go to mystique. Because there's **** all nothing to compare huh? Can JJ shuffle? Okay he's got more tricks than Tunney's amateur style. That **** was quick.

Willard, Brennan, and Firpo is big doe. That's why they gave Jack such a struggle... dey were hard to hit ...or using the magic that comes with being Jack Dempsey, hit so much harder than Marciano that'd be the difference maker. Magic, because youse have got **** all physics to back that.

If I talk about Marciano being sloppy and having absurd loads Dempsey fans agree. But then when the discussion is power all of a sudden Dempsey, who weighs about the same, can produce just absurd amounts more power. Physics for this? Ain't none but don't let that stop anyone who ducks technical discussion in favor of mythological. How does a 190 hit harder than a 185 while maintaining a sharper form? ****ing impossible actually but don't let that **** stop you from claiming it and don't let your utter lack of any credential compared to my very much credentialed kinesiology stop you from thinking it is possible. You've seen boxing, you have read glowing reviews from contemporaries. What do you need physics for? Believe in that magic Dempsey power and you've a logical reason why easy to hit no hopers who got knocked around the ring by one 190 slugger can't by the 185 slugger who does even bigger loads from farther away. And, I'm being super ******* because youse know Dempsey is not really even a 190.



Have I got it? Mythological presence doe and Dempsey power magic doe?

[HOUDINI563]

Silly comments. Dempsey was the far quicker of the two. With that speed comes more devastating punching power. Also if you watch Dempsey throw punches aside from being ultra short he is literally throwing his body weight behind them. Not just pivoting the legs and hips but THROWING his weight behind the blows.

Fleischer, who watched both men fight all their major fights live from ringside, felt Dempsey, Louis and Marciano hit comparably as hard but stopped for a moment and stated he felt Dempsey hit harder than Marciano.

Dempseys foot and hand speed cannot be ignored. The guy was incredibly quick. Arcel when asked what it was like to watch Dempsey fight exclaimed “THE SPEED!” This is something no one would say of Marciano.

[HOUDINI563]

Dempsey weighed 192 lbs when he fought Firpo. Firpo weighed over 215 lbs not 190. Don’t forget Dempsey knocked Firpo unconscious in two rounds.

Historically very few who saw both in action rated Marciano ahead of Dempsey. Really it’s incomparable. You could say punching power is even but in all other categories in terms of boxing/fighting ability Dempsey FAR outpaced Marciano. Dempsey was more akin to Louis than Marciano with his ultra short very quick combination punches.

[Marchegiano]

No I asked you about the ones that Langford got for free, not the ones he had to give away. You keep saying it was an era wide event so that means Langford like Miske must have been on both sides if it, no?

I like the way you just skimmed over my post; got so confused you couldn't find the time to read it. Or I guess I just write garbage not worth reading.

But not when it came to Langford, that you spotted and then informed me he got 'jobbed' but then failed to see it the other way.

You read and understand at your (agenda's) convenience.

You hold an anger against white fighters from the color line era. You see a great injustice, and you are correct it was a great injustice, but your anger has created a affected bias in you against a niche group of white fighters from that era.

On this topic you are like a constant tom tom ****ing out the same message; you practice a double standard because of your anger towards the color line and your posts are predictable, and I say almost always unfair.

You really got to get off the colorline for this.

You're asking me for Sam's wins that were against great competition that could have done better? Kid Norfolk. Kis Norfolk definitely could have done better. Sam was old and past it, Norfolk revered him but didn't see him as the threat he was. Kid got wreckless and got KO'd in two. Not as impressive as simple saying Kid got KO'd in two.

This is less colorline and more 50s>20s like I said at the start. I can bring colorline into it, obviously, but I personally feel it muddies the water so I've tried to omit that aspect of comparing the eras. Yes i do think it's a reason the 50s are greater, but, I don't think it's needed so had no intention of speaking to it.

Harry Kid Matthews ran up a 50+ win streak. There's names, there is a resume, he's not considered a great contender. OP didn't even put him on the lists.

Matthews scored wins over Ted Lowry, Harley Breshears, Ezzard Charles, Freddie Beshore, Eddie Booker, Danny Nardico, Jackie Burke, and Rex Layne. Otherwise known as a team of unimpressive common names found on every resume in the era with a mix of good names that remain unimpressive wins due to circumstances.

You know, exactly like Billy. Except you suck Billy's ********, for drawing a ****ing MW, but no one ever even considers Matthews a good contender. Sure, it's an honest look at Resume....Billy fought Battling and got results just like most anyone else with half a name from the era....ooo

[Marchegiano]

Silly comments. Dempsey was the far quicker of the two. With that speed comes more devastating punching power. Also if you watch Dempsey throw punches aside from being ultra short he is literally throwing his body weight behind them. Not just pivoting the legs and hips but THROWING his weight behind the blows.

Fleischer, who watched both men fight all their major fights live from ringside, felt Dempsey, Louis and Marciano hit comparably as hard but stopped for a moment and stated he felt Dempsey hit harder than Marciano.

Dempseys foot and hand speed cannot be ignored. The guy was incredibly quick. Arcel when asked what it was like to watch Dempsey fight exclaimed “THE SPEED!” This is something no one would say of Marciano.

Dempsey weighed 192 lbs when he fought Firpo. Firpo weighed over 215 lbs not 190. Don’t forget Dempsey knocked Firpo unconscious in two rounds.

Historically very few who saw both in action rated Marciano ahead of Dempsey. Really it’s incomparable. You could say punching power is even but in all other categories in terms of boxing/fighting ability Dempsey FAR outpaced Marciano. Dempsey was more akin to Louis than Marciano with his ultra short very quick combination punches.

Be more than happy to explain 3rd grade physics to you.

[HOUDINI563]

No need, I’m a scientist. Senior scientist in actuality.

Dempseys speed, like Louis, made his punches land in devastating fashion. Couple this with his ability to put his body weight behind his blows and there you have the reason he is rated as one of boxing’s all time punchers.

You cannot compare Marciano to Dempsey except as a puncher. Dempseys SPEED is what has become lost over time to the casual fan and most historians. This is one reason why he is erroneously compared to his inferiors in Marciano and Frazier

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah, I know, Tunney's so great he has a resume of Dempsey and Greb. With his basic boxing bull****.

Love how I went to technique and youse go to mystique. Because there's **** all nothing to compare huh? Can JJ shuffle? Okay he's got more tricks than Tunney's amateur style. That **** was quick.

Willard, Brennan, and Firpo is big doe. That's why they gave Jack such a struggle... dey were hard to hit ...or using the magic that comes with being Jack Dempsey, hit so much harder than Marciano that'd be the difference maker. Magic, because youse have got **** all physics to back that.

If I talk about Marciano being sloppy and having absurd loads Dempsey fans agree. But then when the discussion is power all of a sudden Dempsey, who weighs about the same, can produce just absurd amounts more power. Physics for this? Ain't none but don't let that stop anyone who ducks technical discussion in favor of mythological. How does a 190 hit harder than a 185 while maintaining a sharper form? ****ing impossible actually but don't let that **** stop you from claiming it and don't let your utter lack of any credential compared to my very much credentialed kinesiology stop you from thinking it is possible. You've seen boxing, you have read glowing reviews from contemporaries. What do you need physics for? Believe in that magic Dempsey power and you've a logical reason why easy to hit no hopers who got knocked around the ring by one 190 slugger can't by the 185 slugger who does even bigger loads from farther away. And, I'm being super ******* because youse know Dempsey is not really even a 190.



Have I got it? Mythological presence doe and Dempsey power magic doe?

- - Rocky a fan favorite because he was a hardworking overachiever.

Dempsey was even a bigger fan favorite, ie gates and purses and media attention because he was epic in making boxing into a spectacle sport that not even a handful champions ever achieve.

DOE!!!

[Marchegiano]

- - Rocky a fan favorite because he was a hardworking overachiever.

Dempsey was even a bigger fan favorite, ie gates and purses and media attention because he was epic in making boxing into a spectacle sport that not even a handful champions ever achieve.

DOE!!!

More mystique because you have **** all else

[Marchegiano]

No need, I’m a scientist. Senior scientist in actuality.

Dempseys speed, like Louis, made his punches land in devastating fashion. Couple this with his ability to put his body weight behind his blows and there you have the reason he is rated as one of boxing’s all time punchers.

You cannot compare Marciano to Dempsey except as a puncher. Dempseys SPEED is what has become lost over time to the casual fan and most historians. This is one reason why he is erroneously compared to his inferiors in Marciano and Frazier

Do you know what potential energy means?

How much faster does a ball of the same weight have to drop to reach the same energy of a second ball given a doubled trajectory?

Ain't it Dempsey who, in his own book, explains the importance of gravity to heavy punching? Hmm. We're going to pretend speed catches up in power instead of talking about how speed is what got Dempsey on the mark? Senior huh? My ass. This is basic physics. There's a bigger load from one man, there's a bigger arch from one man, there's clearly more load from one man.

We can take their weights, the frames per second it takes for them the complete a technique, and trajectories and work the numbers. Or did our senior scientist forget velocity isn't just speed?

At this point dummy should be realizing it only takes Marciano just a bit more load than Dempsey to hit harder, which can be seen on video, and would take Dempsey inhuman speeds to actually improve his power over Marciano's absurd loads. Which is not captured by any film so fall back to but him was so popular doe.

Because Jack charges in while Marciano jumps across. Don't be ******. There are plenty of good angles to argue, that's not one. That's just ****** oldmin fanboyism.



Not everyone's impressed by a bunch of ye old bragging about ye old crap. Y'all need a new reason.

Not everyone pretends Dempsey magic is real. Marciano AND Frazier both hit harder, takes a third grade physics lesson to see that.

But him had mixed results against everyone else who had mixed results just like everyone else in his era doe - only protection for the seriously old ****ers. Take any other contender with a very average contender's career and bam, it's okay to criticize him. Call Billy Miske a no hoper for any ATG HW and you've an argument. Yeah, not bull**** ass rose glasses doe.

I'll say it again

There is a reason you bitches will *****, whine, and cry, while I call Billy ass, but, that's it. You're only going to cry because I called Billy ass. You're not going to produce a list of the finest LHWs or HWs and put Billy anywhere near Ezzard. For a reason, a good one. If one were to do a contenders list there's probably enough Langfords and Sharkeys for Billy to not matter again. Why is that? Because outside of Billy Miske being connected to Dempsey he's got a very average contender's resume doesn't he? Not a great anything, not a champion, not a great LHW or HW, not even one of the great contenders of history. Just one of tens of thousands who did well enough to be on everyone's resume.

But **** that, he was passed around like a cheap hoe in the 20s so that makes him special.