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  • #51
    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
    You cant because im white, i have no motive for that reason. I like slick fighters and thats why i like black fighters, not to say that there are no slick latin or white fighters but they are few and far between.

    Most the greatest fighters are black anyway, that is just a fact.
    I meant that you favor black fighters more. And I think its a little prejudiced to say that most the greatest fighters are black. That is a personal opinion anyway. Who is considered a great fighter? There have been just as many great Latin fighters imo.

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    • #52
      Hearns, Benn and Saad are among my top 5 fav fighters ever. What does that tell you? Since when has not liking Pernell Whitaker become synonymous with racism??

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
        I meant that you favor black fighters more. And I think its a little prejudiced to say that most the greatest fighters are black. That is a personal opinion anyway. Who is considered a great fighter? There have been just as many great Latin fighters imo.
        Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
        Hearns, Benn and Saad are among my top 5 fav fighters ever. What does that tell you? Since when has not liking Pernell Whitaker become synonymous with racism??
        Yeah i do but not because i have something against white fighters, which is what you seemed to be pointing to, otherwise why even bring it up.

        I dont see how its prejudice because it should makes no difference whether most successful fighters are white or black.

        If you need any clarification just make a poll about it.

        No one said not liking Pernell Whitaker was synonymous with racism but you brought colour into the equation, not me.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
          Yeah i do but not because i have something against white fighters, which is what you seemed to be pointing to, otherwise why even bring it up.

          I dont see how its prejudice because it should makes no difference whether most successful fighters are white or black.

          If you need any clarification just make a poll about it.

          No one said not liking Pernell Whitaker was synonymous with racism but you brought colour into the equation, not me.
          Ok. Can we forget that? You were unfortunate enough to see the original post before it was edited. I wasn't thinking when I posted that stuff about you not liking non-black fighters. I regret making that remark. It was ******.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
            Ok. Can we forget that? You were unfortunate enough to see the original post before it was edited. I wasn't thinking when I posted that stuff about you not liking non-black fighters. I regret making that remark. It was ******.
            Not as ****** as this thread's starting post.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View Post
              Ok. Can we forget that? You were unfortunate enough to see the original post before it was edited. I wasn't thinking when I posted that stuff about you not liking non-black fighters. I regret making that remark. It was ******.
              Im sorry to

              Ha Ha.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by El Dominicano. View Post
                Not as ****** as this thread's starting post.
                Or as your sig.

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                • #58
                  Pernell Whitaker fanboys are deluded enough to believe that Julio cesar Chavez was in his prime when Whitaker supposedly beat him,Chavez was on the decline around this point in his career and wasn't a welterweight at any stretch.


                  The problem with Whitaker is that he gets rated too highly,I don't care about how skilled a guy is,All that matters to a guys legacy is who he beat and while he does have a very good resume,There are many fighters with better lists

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                  • #59
                    Whitaker beat...
                    -Roger Mayweather, former best at 130lbs and went on to be the best(maybe 2nd best) at 140lbs after the Whitaker fight
                    -Jose Luis Ramirez, who was rated in the top 3 and held a belt
                    -Greg Haugen, who was rated in the top 3 and held a belt
                    -Freddie Pendleton, who was rated in the top 5
                    -Azumah Nelson, one of the best 130lb fighters ever who went on and continued success at that weight until he was about 38 years old
                    -Anthony Jones, who was top ten rated
                    -Juan Nazario, title holder at 135 and in the top 5
                    -Policarpo Diaz, who was rated in the top 5
                    -Jorge Paez, former title holder
                    -Rafael Pineda, top 5 rated and held a belt
                    -Buddy McGirt, best in the world at 147lbs
                    -Julio Cesar Chavez, who was somewhat on the way down but still easily the best fighter at 140lbs at the time and a hell of a fighter in general
                    -Buddy McGirt again, top 4 rated
                    -Julio Cesar Vasquez, best fighter in the world at 154lbs
                    -Jake Rodriquez, former title holder at 140lbs
                    -Wilfredo Rivera, top ten rated

                    he might have even gotten a win over a prime or near prime DLH, despite Whitaker being clearly past his prime and probably on crack.

                    I dont know why I bothered doing that though. all you have to do is watch some of his fights...the guy was unbelievable.

                    he was far, FAR more than just a great defensive fighter.

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                    • #60
                      Pernell Whitaker:
                      Notable Wins:
                      John Montes
                      Roger Mayweather
                      Miguel Santana
                      Greg Haugen (Future HOFer)
                      Jose Luis Ramirez [Past his prime]
                      Freddie Pendleton
                      Azumah Nelson (HOFer)
                      Anthony Jones
                      Policarpo Diaz [Undefeated]
                      Jorge Paez
                      Harold Brazier
                      Rafael Pineda
                      Buddy McGirt (x2) (Top p4p fighter)
                      Julio Cesar Vazquez (Potential Future HOFer)
                      Wilfredo Rivera (x2) [Undefeated]
                      Diosbelys Hurtado [Undefeated]
                      Notable Losses:
                      Jose Luis Ramirez I
                      Oscar De La Hoya *Whitaker past his prime
                      Questionable Wins:
                      Wilfredo Rivera I
                      Questionable Losses:
                      Jose Luis Ramirez I
                      Oscar De La Hoya (Future HOFer)
                      Questionable Draws:
                      Julio Cesar Chavez (HOFer) [Whitaker clearly won in a catch weight fight]



                      Great fighter. Trinidad loss not considered notable because Whitaker was clearly over the hill...

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