Whats so great about Pernell Whitaker??

[mrboxer]

a good jab,that is about all he had and a big mouth average fighter only

[Stoppage]

Please. Pernell Whitaker is one of the greatest boxers of all-time.

He was considered the pound for pound best for many years. Won titles at 135, 140, 147 and 154. He beat the best of the best.

I think you should do a little research on the fighters he beat.

[Dynamite Kid]

Ok, I know he had a fantastic defense. But you gotta have more than just that and a few tricks to be worthy of the title ATG. I just don't see how he qualifies for that title. He lost to DLH and Trinidad, two best WWs of the 90's. And I know he lost clearly, everybody that says anything else is talking BS!

I think he is overated. He didn't beat that many great fighters. Who did he beat? Roger Mayweather, who imo was not a great fighter, just very good. And he floored Whitaker once in that fight and made it close. JC Chavez...I dunno, I haven't seen that fight really but I know its considered a controversial draw. Judging by the comments made on the DLH fight I am sceptical about the controversy.

First and foremost Whitaker was past his prime when he fought both DLH & Trinidad.

Niether DLH or Whitaker lost a clear decision because neither fighter was that dominant in the fight, it was a an extremely difficult for to score with no clear winner, hence the reason i called it a draw.


Azumah Nelson, Buddy McGirt, Jose Luis Ramirez?

J C Vasquez a natural 145lbs and a guy that put Winky on the floor how many times ?

Dominated Greg Haugen easily, Beat Mayweather clearly.



Trust me it (Chavez) was definitely a win for Whitaker but not the complete shut out people would have you believe, but he clearly won by at least! 3 rounds.

He is not only an ATG but he is the most skilled fighter ive ever seen and i dont base that on a handful of fights i base that on 20+ fights ive seen of his, he was a great! fighter.

You cant make assumptions based on two fights where he was past prime, otherwise what would you make of Duran's career post 154?

[Benncollinsaad]

You need to watch earlier fights. You seem to be basing your opinion on his later fights where he was on coke and past prime.

I am watching the Chavez fight. I just don't like his type of fighters. Ducking and evading punches all the time and throwing mostly jabs-thats not my idea of a good, exciting fighter. But each his own taste. You guys are talking about him like he was fighting in the best era of boxing, which is pretty far from truth. These latino guys, they were used to rumble and thats why Whitaker's style confused them. Whitaker had no power and he wasn't one of the fastest fighters either.

And I maintain that the DLH fight wasn't at all that close or difficult to score. He was losing and therefore he started using dirty tactics.

[Dynamite Kid]

You said that Roger Mayweather's K.D of Whitaker made it close? I can clearly see you didn't watch that fight, wasn't even a close fight. That was a dominating performance by Whitaker, the K.D didn't do anything. Then you admitted to not seeing Whitaker vs JCC, no debate, that was a clear victory against JCC, one of the greatest Jr WWs of all time. Aren't you the same dude who tried to convince us DLH clearly beat Whitaker, in that same thread, so many people thought otherwise. To answer your question, he beat...

1. Azumah Nelson
2. JLR
3. JCC
4. JCV
5. Greg Haugen
6. Buddy McGirt
7. Hurtado
8. Paez
9. (In My Opinion) DLH

In the DLH fight, commentators were already talking about Whitaker's slippage. Yet there's a problem with losing to one of the greatest WWs in Felix Trinidad 2 years after that? Not trying to go hard on you, but don't call overrated what you know nothing about.

Co-Sign.

I dont know why people think the Mayweather fight was close, Whitaker was beating Mayweather up inside and that lone KD was the only success Mayweather had in the entire fight and that only happened because Whitaker was taking more chances because he was so dominant.

[Benncollinsaad]

Co-Sign.

I dont know why people think the Mayweather fight was close, Whitaker was beating Mayweather up inside and that lone KD was the only success Mayweather had in the entire fight and that only happened because Whitaker was taking more chances because he was so dominant.

Both his fights with McGirt were close and he was knocked down in the second. But he had the judges on his side and especially in the second fight the scorecards were much wider than they were supposed to be.

[Dynamite Kid]

I am watching the Chavez fight. I just don't like his type of fighters. Ducking and evading punches all the time and throwing mostly jabs-thats not my idea of a good, exciting fighter. But each his own taste. You guys are talking about him like he was fighting in the best era of boxing, which is pretty far from truth. These latino guys, they were used to rumble and thats why Whitaker's style confused them. Whitaker had no power and he wasn't one of the fastest fighters either.

And I maintain that the DLH fight wasn't at all that close or difficult to score. He was losing and therefore he started using dirty tactics.

You cant say this because you have not seen enough of him.

How on earth can you say the DLH/Whitaker fight was not hard to score, it was extremely hard to score the rounds. No offence but You are very biased towards DLH imo.

Ill tell you the truth Whitaker was not exciting in his biggest fights and that is why he gets a bad rap and classed as boring when he was far from it, its just he fought a tactical fight against Nelson, DLH, Chavez.

Whitaker did not just beat good fighters he white washed them, Haugen was a good fighter and Whitaker made him look a fool, same scenario with JLR.

Brazier, Cardona were aslo made to look ****** and got dominated completely.


You say Whitaker could not punch ? he was not a big puncher by any stretch but he could hurt you or knock you out. Gary Jacobs had a good chin and Whitaker had him in major trouble when that fight ended, he was lucky to survive. Hurtado got brutally knocked out by Whitaker, Mayweather was almost knocked out in 1/2 round.


This is a terrible thread to make when you have not even seen him fight in his prime.

[Dynamite Kid]

Both his fights with McGirt were close and he was knocked down in the second. But he had the judges on his side and especially in the second fight the scorecards were much wider than they were supposed to be.

Off balance like many of his KD's.

Its been a while since i saw the McGirt fights but from what i remember McGirt did okay for 5/6 rounds but it was all Whitaker after that and the second fight was a clear!! win for Whitaker.

[Benncollinsaad]

You cant say this because you have not seen enough of him.

How on earth can you say the DLH/Whitaker fight was not hard to score, it was extremely hard to score the rounds. No offence but You are very biased towards DLH imo.

Ill tell you the truth Whitaker was not exciting in his biggest fights and that is why he gets a bad rap and classed as boring when he was far from it, its just he fought a tactical fight against Nelson, DLH, Chavez.

Whitaker did not just beat good fighters he white washed them, Haugen was a good fighter and Whitaker made him look a fool, same scenario with JLR.

Brazier, Cardona were aslo made to look ****** and got dominated completely.


You say Whitaker could not punch ? he was not a big puncher by any stretch but he could hurt you or knock you out. Gary Jacobs had a good chin and Whitaker had him in major trouble when that fight ended, he was lucky to survive. Hurtado got brutally knocked out by Whitaker, Mayweather was almost knocked out in 1/2 round.


This is a terrible thread to make when you have not even seen him fight in his prime.

You mean Diosbelys Hurtado, who had him down twice before he gassed out in the late rounds and lost? Baah! And what about Jose Luis Ramirez? The first man who beat Whitaker. I see on boxrec this also is considered a "robbery"...hmm, isnt it funny that each time Whitaker lost or had a draw it was a ROBBERY! Come on, lets get serious...you guys are biased because you like him. Everybody is biased! So cut the crap.

[Dynamite Kid]

You mean Diosbelys Hurtado, who had him down twice before he gassed out in the late rounds and lost? Baah! And what about Jose Luis Ramirez? The first man who beat Whitaker. I see on boxrec this also is considered a "robbery"...hmm, isnt it funny that each time Whitaker lost or had a draw it was a ROBBERY! Come on, lets get serious...you guys are biased because you like him. Everybody is biased! So cut the crap.

Yeah him, if you dont mention Diosbelys Hurtado then i wont talk about DLH getting beat down by a midget and quitting! on his stool, getting his ears boxed off by Oba Carr, quitting against B Hop, getting bested by a Lightweight (Mosley) and robbing both Quartey and Sturm.


I can be unbiased about this but why should i do that when its clear you intend to let biased cloud your judgment opinion? we can all sit here and shoot fighters down in flames.

On JLR vs Whitaker watch it and score the fight then come back and tell me who won.

Is it anymore ironic than DLH losing almost every big fight he had been in?