Anybody who cannot see the greatness that defined Pernell Whitaker's Amateur and Professional careers should probably stop watching boxing.
No disrespect ; but the man was a 3 division Champion who fought every legitimate opponet that came his way and made a habit outof going up in weight to challenge them on their turf, despite the fact that his punching power was severely deficient.
Aside from that ; he was the perfect combination of craft and guts that made for great fights and great television.
Over the years people (generally newbie fans) seem to have only focused on Whitaker's amazingly talented defensive skillset, while completely ignoring his equally talented offensive skillset as if he never fought an offensive fight.
He was an amazing body puncher. He worked combos like very few I've ever seen and he was equally adept at switch hitting on the fly from the head to the body in rhythmic motion. Aside from that ; he was also a bit of a scrapper and once again, contrary to popular belief ; he loved to mix it up in the pocket from time to time and really give the fans a show.
There's only so much I can say about Whitaker's greatness and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise if you hold such a strong belief that he was overrated.
All I can say is just watch the tapes. Watch at least half of his professional career before you even think about forming an opinion.
And don't go into it with any of the preconcieved notions that you currently have about the man.
Pernell was a beast, and is one of very few fighters whom I can openly state is an "all Time Great" with no reservations on my part whatsoever.
GUTS?!? PERNELL WHITAKER?! Please...you should take off that Marquez avatar and stop calling yourself his fan if you can be so ******! You are not worthy of having his glorious persona gracing your avatar!
Whitaker was great in his style, performance, achievments, and courage to mix it up on the inside with punchers. i.e. he had guts, skill and personality.
A multi-weight champion who took on the best even when he didnt have it anymore.
Anybody who cannot see the greatness that defined Pernell Whitaker's Amateur and Professional careers should probably stop watching boxing.
No disrespect ; but the man was a 3 division Champion who fought every legitimate opponet that came his way and made a habit outof going up in weight to challenge them on their turf, despite the fact that his punching power was severely deficient.
Aside from that ; he was the perfect combination of craft and guts that made for great fights and great television.
Over the years people (generally newbie fans) seem to have only focused on Whitaker's amazingly talented defensive skillset, while completely ignoring his equally talented offensive skillset as if he never fought an offensive fight.
He was an amazing body puncher. He worked combos like very few I've ever seen and he was equally adept at switch hitting on the fly from the head to the body in rhythmic motion. Aside from that ; he was also a bit of a scrapper and once again, contrary to popular belief ; he loved to mix it up in the pocket from time to time and really give the fans a show.
There's only so much I can say about Whitaker's greatness and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise if you hold such a strong belief that he was overrated.
All I can say is just watch the tapes. Watch at least half of his professional career before you even think about forming an opinion.
And don't go into it with any of the preconcieved notions that you currently have about the man.
Pernell was a beast, and is one of very few fighters whom I can openly state is an "all Time Great" with no reservations on my part whatsoever.
So I should stop boxing because I don't appreciate a guy who hasn't been fighting for ten years?? Nice logic. Maybe then everybody who didn't like Bernie Briscoe should stop watching boxing as well?
You don't do yourself any favors with these childish posts. Grow up. You're a grown ass man for christ's sake.
You do yourself no favors when you endorse the views of a 24 karot crackpot like BigMacPrinceLimey. When you say of Slimey******Foster "he actually does know something about boxing" you destroy what little credibility you have as a poster. I'd be hard pressed to think of a more ******ed statement than that. Get real. You're not a Special Ed student (as far as I know) for Christ's sake.
You do yourself no favors when you endorse the views of a 24 karot crackpot like BigMacPrinceLimey. When you say of Slimey******Foster "he actually does know something about boxing" you destroy what little credibility you have as a poster. I'd be hard pressed to think of a more ******ed statement than that. Get real. You're not a Special Ed student (as far as I know) for Christ's sake.
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I said he had some boxing knowledge. I mean, seriously, if you can't see that, it's your own pride getting in the way. It's not exactly hard to have some boxing knowledge. Anyone obsessed with the history section of a boxing forum has some boxing knowledge. He particularly specializes on points that discredit fighters. Lot's of people rip on others without any foundation rooted in reality. Not the case with Foster. Most of his points can't be entirely refuted. The issue is mainly how he represents the points. He gets carried away with his own dialogue and uses a little too much literary jargon and hyperbole.
GUTS?!? PERNELL WHITAKER?! Please...you should take off that Marquez avatar and stop calling yourself his fan if you can be so ******! You are not worthy of having his glorious persona gracing your avatar!
So Whitaker didn't have guts?
What about how he was getting his ass beat against Hurtado and forced himself to dig deep for that gut check and pulled a TKO stoppage out of his ass when it seemed all but imposible?
What about how he had to dig deep and take it to the trenches with Roger Mayweather?
What about all the times he threw caution to the wind and mixed it up in the pocket with fighters who had more pop than he did?
Whitaker had just as much guts as he did talent.
If you can't see that then why make a thread asking others for their opinions on what makes him so great? Why go through the trouble of making a thread like this?
Anybody who cannot see the greatness that defined Pernell Whitaker's Amateur and Professional careers should probably stop watching boxing.
No disrespect ; but the man was a 3 division Champion who fought every legitimate opponet that came his way and made a habit outof going up in weight to challenge them on their turf, despite the fact that his punching power was severely deficient.
Aside from that ; he was the perfect combination of craft and guts that made for great fights and great television.
Over the years people (generally newbie fans) seem to have only focused on Whitaker's amazingly talented defensive skillset, while completely ignoring his equally talented offensive skillset as if he never fought an offensive fight.
He was an amazing body puncher. He worked combos like very few I've ever seen and he was equally adept at switch hitting on the fly from the head to the body in rhythmic motion. Aside from that ; he was also a bit of a scrapper and once again, contrary to popular belief ; he loved to mix it up in the pocket from time to time and really give the fans a show.
There's only so much I can say about Whitaker's greatness and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise if you hold such a strong belief that he was overrated.
All I can say is just watch the tapes. Watch at least half of his professional career before you even think about forming an opinion.
And don't go into it with any of the preconcieved notions that you currently have about the man.
Pernell was a beast, and is one of very few fighters whom I can openly state is an "all Time Great" with no reservations on my part whatsoever.
This is a great! post because it explains exactly what type of fighter Whitaker was in style, he was a cutey but he like Bringer pointed out also like to mix it with his opponents inside, which he does not get any credit for from people who have only seen his biggest fights where he tended to fight more from long range and was not as impressive, however if you watch majority of his fights you will start to realize he was not Hector Camacho MK 2, he was a quite a superb Boxer who could fight in the pocket/ mid range, mix it up inside or fight from long range, he put on some clinics, no not clinics they were like works of art.
I dont blame anyone for thinking Whitaker was a runner because i always thought he was a runner/coward little ***** that did too much back peddling but that was untill i took the time to watch more of his fights and i could not have been more wrong, he was waay more aggressive and had more heart than i ever gave him credit for. I will however admit that Whitaker was not exactly exciting when he beat Chavez, DLH and Nelson you could argue but apart from that his fights were generally very good to watch.
This is a great! post because it explains exactly what type of fighter Whitaker was in style, he was a cutey but he like Bringer pointed out also like to mix it with his opponents inside, which he does not get any credit for from people who have only seen his biggest fights where he tended to fight more from long range and was not as impressive, however if you watch majority of his fights you will start to realize he was not Hector Camacho MK 2, he was a quite a superb Boxer who could fight in the pocket/ mid range, mix it up inside or fight from long range, he put on some clinics, no not clinics they were like works of art.
I dont blame anyone for thinking Whitaker was a runner because i always thought he was a runner/coward little ***** that did too much back peddling but that was untill i took the time to watch more of his fights and i could not have been more wrong, he was waay more aggressive and had more heart than i ever gave him credit for. I will however admit that Whitaker was not exactly exciting when he beat Chavez, DLH and Nelson you could argue but apart from that his fights were generally very good to watch.
I think the main problem here is that Whitaker fought very cautiously against Chavez, Oscar, and Azumah in his 3 biggest fights.
And many so called "fight fans" tend to only watch a few fights of any one guy's career if they weren't around for it, and then form their opinion from that.
Clearly that's the case in this thread as evidenced by the TS's opening post and subsequent replies ; he's forming his opinion of Whitaker based solely off of a few cautious performances, and not the entire body of work.
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