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  • #21
    Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
    Chuvalo worked on his chin as well. He referred to it as strengthening his "collar."

    I figure Clay was seldom being hit squarely. I see that Chuvalo was often hit squarely and survived it all. Hagler would be a strong contender as well, as would Marciano and the Atomic Bull.

    Myself, I have to go with Chuvalo. He had practically no head movement. Even Hag had good head movement. Marciano and Chuvalo were the ones who took the full force of punches and kept on coming. McCall's head did not move much either.

    I go with Chuvalo.
    Chuvalo is a great pick and Yes, the Atomic Bull seemed to have the makings, but would like to see him take a few more shots to start comparing him to Ali or Chuvalo. Marciano another one... Heck even Archie Moore actually.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
      Chuvalo worked on his chin as well. He referred to it as strengthening his "collar."

      I figure Clay was seldom being hit squarely. I see that Chuvalo was often hit squarely and survived it all. Hagler would be a strong contender as well, as would Marciano and the Atomic Bull.

      Myself, I have to go with Chuvalo. He had practically no head movement. Even Hag had good head movement. Marciano and Chuvalo were the ones who took the full force of punches and kept on coming. McCall's head did not move much either.

      I go with Chuvalo.
      I think Chuvalo was the guy too . . . But I want to add two things, one a question.

      1. Big George would have scored a KD against Chuvalo had the ropes not been there. Foreman actually lifted Chuvalo's feet off the canvas and he bounced off the ropes. To Chuvalo's credit that tough SOB landed on his feet and didn't go down.

      Had they been in the center of the ring I am convinced Chuvalo would have one KD on his record.

      2. Does a mouth guard make you jaw stronger? I remember back in high school when clamping down on my mouth guard made it feel like I was flexing my jaw muscles.

      I guess we need someone with boxing experience to answer this.

      If wearing a mouth guard does add to one's ability to take a punch then we need to give allowance to the pre-mouth guard period fighters, circa 1928.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

        He took some incoming from Vitalie lol.
        No true he did, but it didn't hit him on that sweet spot. The goodnight Vienna button
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        • #24
          I believe a wad of rags to bite down on was an early form of mouthpiece.

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          • #25
            Chuvalo and McCall are usually my go to picks for HW. I'm sure they've been mentioned a few times.
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            • #26
              David Tua had a hell of a chin. Oliver McCall too.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                I think Chuvalo was the guy too . . . But I want to add two things, one a question.

                1. Big George would have scored a KD against Chuvalo had the ropes not been there. Foreman actually lifted Chuvalo's feet off the canvas and he bounced off the ropes. To Chuvalo's credit that tough SOB landed on his feet and didn't go down.

                Had they been in the center of the ring I am convinced Chuvalo would have one KD on his record.

                2. Does a mouth guard make you jaw stronger? I remember back in high school when clamping down on my mouth guard made it feel like I was flexing my jaw muscles.

                I guess we need someone with boxing experience to answer this.

                If wearing a mouth guard does add to one's ability to take a punch then we need to give allowance to the pre-mouth guard period fighters, circa 1928.
                I think a mouthguard does make you stronger because there is less slippage, uniformity of pressure, and a bracing effect.
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                • #28
                  Interesting comments and a great thread so far. Got me thinking about mouthpieces and their purpose and original purpose. I wear one to protect my teeth when sparring, but never thought much about it. There are several articles that can be found but I chose this one.

                  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...a1geoy3t4r5xrk
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by markusmod View Post
                    David Tua had a hell of a chin. Oliver McCall too.
                    Very true! He proved as much with all those punches he took in his now famous fight with Ike Ibeabuchi.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                      I think a mouthguard does make you stronger because there is less slippage, uniformity of pressure, and a bracing effect.
                      Yea suspect it should but really no actual experience.

                      We know JJ couldn't have had anything in his mouth otherwise he couldn't have taunted white society with his golden smile and constant trash talk.

                      I guess Ketchel would have better served as well if it is true that JJ was brushing Stanley's teeth off his glove.

                      In the film "Short Eyes"the prisoners have a square off with 'rags' (on their fists) and you watch them make mouth guards out of folded toilet tissue.
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