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  • #11
    A lot of kids do football and hockey, and there is plenty of brain damage shown from those sports. A lot of kids getting into MMA these days too.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by markusmod View Post
      A lot of kids do football and hockey, and there is plenty of brain damage shown from those sports. A lot of kids getting into MMA these days too.
      True, but in the case of long-term injuries, it’s wrong to compare boxing with most other sports, which boxing often does in its defense.
      Unlike the sports world as a whole, boxing has its own DNA, which is tantamount to inflicting physical harm on athletes,
      preferably by someone being knocked unconscious.

      Intentionally injuring or knocking someone unconscious in, for example, football or hockey is a violation of the rules and the
      athlete becomes suspended.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Ben Bolt View Post

        True, but in the case of long-term injuries, it’s wrong to compare boxing with most other sports, which boxing often does in its defense.
        Unlike the sports world as a whole, boxing has its own DNA, which is tantamount to inflicting physical harm on athletes,
        preferably by someone being knocked unconscious.

        Intentionally injuring or knocking someone unconscious in, for example, football or hockey is a violation of the rules and the
        athlete becomes suspended.
        Usually the KOs are not the problem, its the guys who take beatings round after round who usually end up dead or with severe injuries.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Ben Bolt View Post

          True, but in the case of long-term injuries, it’s wrong to compare boxing with most other sports, which boxing often does in its defense.
          Unlike the sports world as a whole, boxing has its own DNA, which is tantamount to inflicting physical harm on athletes,
          preferably by someone being knocked unconscious.

          Intentionally injuring or knocking someone unconscious in, for example, football or hockey is a violation of the rules and the
          athlete becomes suspended.
          - -???

          Football and hockey players are often KOed or TKOed in the boxing vernacular because of spectacular armored physical contact forces far beyond those of boxing all while playing "legally."

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          • #15
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - -???

            Football and hockey players are often KOed or TKOed in the boxing vernacular because of spectacular armored physical contact forces far beyond those of boxing all while playing "legally."
            But those are by products of their sports. In boxing the object is to inflict damage. In football it's to score a touchdown, in hockey a goal. In boxing the only object is to punish the other fighter.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

              But those are by products of their sports. In boxing the object is to inflict damage. In football it's to score a touchdown, in hockey a goal. In boxing the only object is to punish the other fighter.
              Not completely . . . in football there are players who's principle (we can say sole) job is to hit and knockdown an opponent not to score touchdowns.

              Ironically how football is also like boxing is that equipment safety measure and innovations have made the game more dangerous instead of safer, e.g tapped and glove hands vs. plastic helmets originally meant to protect the head became a weapon from the mid 50s to the 2000s leaving many linemen (from repeated small hits) with dementia and more than a few wide receivers in wheel chairs.

              To make the games safer we need to return to five ounce horsehair gloves with minimum to no wrappings - return to leather helmets and no face masks.

              The up side: the glove will return to its original purpose of protecting the hands but serve less as an offensive weapon. There will be fewer shots to the head as fighters re-learn to find softer targets to protect their hands . . . Leather helmets will protect the head from blows but will not serve as a striking tool.

              The down side: our faces will get seriously busted up in both sports and we will look pretty ugly (but that's OK some women find that hot - but slurring your speech and hobbling when you walk no woman finds hot) but our heads less damaged.

              [EDIT] Also the use of five ounce horsehair gloves will force participants to become better technical boxers. Today's hands and gloves allow punches to be thrown with impunity; less protected hands will force fighters to better master boxing techniques to limit errant placed blows.
              Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 10-24-2021, 10:30 AM.
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              • #17
                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                Not completely . . . in football there are players who's principle (we can say sole) job is to hit and knockdown an opponent not to score touchdowns.

                Ironically how football is also like boxing is that equipment safety measure and innovations have made the game more dangerous instead of safer, e.g tapped and glove hands vs. plastic helmets originally meant to protect the head became a weapon from the mid 50s to the 2000s leaving many linemen (from repeated small hits) with dementia and more than a few wide receivers in wheel chairs.

                To make the games safer we need to return to five ounce horsehair gloves with minimum to no wrappings - return to leather helmets and no face masks.

                The up side: the glove will return to its original purpose of protecting the hands but serve less as an offensive weapon. There will be fewer shots to the head as fighters re-learn to find softer targets to protect their hands . . . Leather helmets will protect the head from blows but will not serve as a striking tool.

                The down side: our faces will get seriously busted up in both sports and we will look pretty ugly (but that's OK some women find that hot - but slurring your speech and hobbling when you walk no woman finds hot) but our heads less damaged.

                [EDIT] Also the use of five ounce horsehair gloves will force participants to become better technical boxers. Today's hands and gloves allow punches to be thrown with impunity; less protected hands will force fighters to better master boxing techniques to limit errant placed blows.
                You make a fair point. But I would argue any team would much rather get an interception or fumble recovery over a great hit any day. The focus is to score whether being violent or non violent. Boxings very nature in every aspect is violence.

                Speaking of going back to horsehair gloves and going back.......when I was a kid there was an old man who hung out at my father's bar. He was in his 80's so I'm imaging he fought in the 20' and 30's since this was the late 70' until the mid 80's when he passed away. Anyway, I remember his knuckles being twisted and knurled. His ears were complete cauliflower and eyebrows were all scar tissue. But what I recall vividly was his nose. He had the bone removed it had been broken so often. It was just mush and cartilage. It was a different time back than with a different breed of man.

                Sorry, didn't mean to go completely off on a story, but it came back to me when you were talking about bringing back horsehair gloves.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                  But those are by products of their sports. In boxing the object is to inflict damage. In football it's to score a touchdown, in hockey a goal. In boxing the only object is to punish the other fighter.
                  - -What grade U in this year in Candyland Elementary?

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                    You make a fair point. But I would argue any team would much rather get an interception or fumble recovery over a great hit any day. The focus is to score whether being violent or non violent. Boxings very nature in every aspect is violence.

                    Speaking of going back to horsehair gloves and going back.......when I was a kid there was an old man who hung out at my father's bar. He was in his 80's so I'm imaging he fought in the 20' and 30's since this was the late 70' until the mid 80's when he passed away. Anyway, I remember his knuckles being twisted and knurled. His ears were complete cauliflower and eyebrows were all scar tissue. But what I recall vividly was his nose. He had the bone removed it had been broken so often. It was just mush and cartilage. It was a different time back than with a different breed of man.

                    Sorry, didn't mean to go completely off on a story, but it came back to me when you were talking about bringing back horsehair gloves.
                    Not off story at all - that is the ugly I was speaking of - but better than slurred speech.

                    Fighters would have to go for the body or aim for the face.

                    When you read the really old bareknuckle write ups there is often mention of 'neck' shots. A good place to land a blow on a soft target.

                    I knew a guy with that kind of nose, Navy fighter, and old girl friend's father, it was funny back in the 70s - he then ended his life in the late 90s with Parkinson Syndrome.
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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                      - -What grade U in this year in Candyland Elementary?
                      Do you anythjng to add or logically debate, or are you just going to be your usual jack-off self?

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