TRIVIA: Technically Speaking.

[Willie Pep 229]

Technically speaking Clay-Liston I should have been recorded as a 7th Round TKO. The morning after, February 26th, 1964 The New York Times recorded the fight as such.

According to the rules, if a fight is stopped, or the fighter RTD between rounds, then the preceding round denotes the knock out round; if a fighter fails to answer the bell for the coming round, that round becomes the knock out round.

When viewing the film it looks as though round seven has begun when Liston's corner waves off the fight. Today The New York Times 7th round call looks incorrect but was at the time probably the right call.

I wonder what round the bookies paid off on (the next day)?

P.S. Similar: I had once read that there was dispute over what round the bookies would pay off on for the Dempsey-Willard fight, round three or four. Back then the newspapers were willing to discuss the (illegal) ******** issue outright. Not so in 1964, as far as I can find.

[QueensburyRules]

Technically speaking Clay-Liston I should have been recorded as a 7th Round TKO. The morning after, February 26th, 1964 The New York Times recorded the fight as such.

According to the rules, if a fight is stopped, or the fighter RTD between rounds, then the preceding round denotes the knock out round; if a fighter fails to answer the bell for the coming round, that round becomes the knock out round.

When viewing the film it looks as though round seven has begun when Liston's corner waves off the fight. Today The New York Times 7th round call looks incorrect but was at the time probably the right call.

I wonder what round the bookies paid off on (the next day)?

P.S. Similar: I had once read that there was dispute over what round the bookies would pay off on for the Dempsey-Willard fight, round three or four. Back then the newspapers were willing to discuss the (illegal) ******** issue outright. Not so in 1964, as far as I can find.

- -Kearns bet 10K on a Dempsey 1st round KO that likely paid over 100K.

The bell, a stationary object only requiring a concussive swing of a small mallet "didn't work" forcing the ref to use a whistle in the ferocious crowd noise. His actions indicated a 1st round stoppage, so Jack left the ring and had to be run down to be returned...only and forever only in boxing folks!!!

[markusmod]

Technically speaking Clay-Liston I should have been recorded as a 7th Round TKO. The morning after, February 26th, 1964 The New York Times recorded the fight as such.

According to the rules, if a fight is stopped, or the fighter RTD between rounds, then the preceding round denotes the knock out round; if a fighter fails to answer the bell for the coming round, that round becomes the knock out round.

When viewing the film it looks as though round seven has begun when Liston's corner waves off the fight. Today The New York Times 7th round call looks incorrect but was at the time probably the right call.

I wonder what round the bookies paid off on (the next day)?

P.S. Similar: I had once read that there was dispute over what round the bookies would pay off on for the Dempsey-Willard fight, round three or four. Back then the newspapers were willing to discuss the (illegal) ******** issue outright. Not so in 1964, as far as I can find.

That's actually a good question. Any data on when they paid?