The truth on why Wilt never fought Ali

[QueensburyRules]

He was most certainly banned in June. In fact I'd like to wager on that. Come on, $100. Is that to rich for you or do you need to save it for more booze? Ali called for the contract on the Cosell show. Herbert didn't want it but Ali did. It's all on video. All that means nothing as he was suspended in New York when he refused induction and banned and sentenced to five years in June for draft evasion. How you see this as a duck if just plain idiotic. Especially when Wilt was the one to know show when there was actually a contract on the table. Make the bet sissy!!

- -Ali fought all over the world. He backed out of Wilt on ABC clear as U single digit IQ that hijacks every thread...

[Willie Pep 229]

Someone may need to correct me on this so please do so if I have this confused.

Ali was convicted of draft evasion in June of 1967, his incarceration was delayed pending appeal.

During this period the USA government (federal court) did not, could not order the Several States to deny Ali a license to fight. That was a State by State decision.

All 50 States did in fact shut down on Ali

But once the Vietnam War had finally soured with the American populace, after the failed invasion of Cambodia and the Kent State Massacre (Spring 1970) Georgia was the first State to break with the majority and offer Ali a license to fight in October 1970. That fight against Quarry took place 8 months BEFORE the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June of 1971. So it must have been a Stste decision to offer, or not to offer a State boxing license (which makes sense.)

Once Geirgia announced it would allow Ali to fight the New York Supreme Court suddenly decided to order its State to reinstate Ali's license in New York as well. (I think NY couldn't bare the thought that Georgia might get the big fight with Frazier.) Ali would then fight Bonavena (12/70) and Frazier (03/71) in MSG. Both these fights as well, took place before the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June '71.

My point being, now that I finally got here, is that in Spring 1967 it wasn't a slam dunk that Ali wouldn't be able to fight again . . .

1. When Ali refused to step forward there was reasonable cause to believe he would be acquitted of the charge based on his CO claim.

2. That if convicted there still might be some States that would allow him to practice his trade while 'out pending appeal'

Both of course turned out not to be; all 50 States turned on him. At that moment there was too much support for the War and the World War II G.I. pro-war mentality (hawks) ruled the day; but as I stated above that would eventually sour.

I don't know what happened between Cosell - Ali - Wilt - you guys seem to have decided opinions' but I don't believe the pending trial would have blocked the signing of a contract at that moment, there were in Spring 1967 still (in most people's minds) hope that Ali would still be boxing.

P S. I believe but I am not certain that Ali was in Houston TX when he refused to step forward, not NY, but that the NYSAC was the first to react and suspend Ali's license.

Again I'm not sure I got this all correct so please correct me where needed.

DIGRESSION: Funny thing is a man convicted of a felony but out pending appeal is allowed to earn a living. He holds all his citizenship rights. He can work, sit next to you in a restaurant or movie. But Ali got treated differently becuse he was black/a champion/an activist/an icon. IMO

[JAB5239]

Someone may need to correct me on this so please do so if I have this confused.

Ali was convicted of draft evasion in June of 1967, his incarceration was delayed pending appeal.

During this period the USA government (federal court) did not, could not order the Several States to deny Ali a license to fight. That was a State by State decision.

All 50 States did in fact shut down on Ali

But once the Vietnam War had finally soured with the American populace, after the failed invasion of Cambodia and the Kent State Massacre (Spring 1970) Georgia was the first State to break with the majority and offer Ali a license to fight in October 1970. That fight against Quarry took place 8 months BEFORE the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June of 1971. So it must have been a Stste decision to offer, or not to offer a State boxing license (which makes sense.)

Once Geirgia announced it would allow Ali to fight the New York Supreme Court suddenly decided to order its State to reinstate Ali's license in New York as well. (I think NY couldn't bare the thought that Georgia might get the big fight with Frazier.) Ali would then fight Bonavena (12/70) and Frazier (03/71) in MSG. Both these fights as well, took place before the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June '71.

My point being, now that I finally got here, is that in Spring 1967 it wasn't a slam dunk that Ali wouldn't be able to fight again . . .

1. When Ali refused to step forward there was reasonable cause to believe he would be acquitted of the charge based on his CO claim.

2. That if convicted there still might be some States that would allow him to practice his trade while 'out pending appeal'

Both of course turned out not to be; all 50 States turned on him. At that moment there was too much support for the War and the World War II G.I. pro-war mentality (hawks) ruled the day; but as I stated above that would eventually sour.

I don't know what happened between Cosell - Ali - Wilt - you guys seem to have decided opinions' but I don't believe the pending trial would have blocked the signing of a contract at that moment, there were in Spring 1967 still (in most people's minds) hope that Ali would still be boxing.

P S. I believe but I am not certain that Ali was in Houston TX when he refused to step forward, not NY, but that the NYSAC was the first to react and suspend Ali's license.

Again I'm not sure I got this all correct so please correct me where needed.

DIGRESSION: Funny thing is a man convicted of a felony but out pending appeal is allowed to earn a living. He holds all his citizenship rights. He can work, sit next to you in a restaurant or movie. But Ali got treated differently becuse he was black/a champion/an activist/an icon. IMO

Ali got screwed every which way but loose.

[JAB5239]

- -Ali fought all over the world. He backed out of Wilt on ABC clear as U single digit IQ that hijacks every thread...

Where? Because I posted video and you can clearly hear Ali calling for a contract. Can you show me where he said no? Now I know Herbert was worried about Wilt, but he wasn't a fighter. Ali was all for the fight and the time they had the contracts in place and READY to be signed Wilt didn't show up. These are facts.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Facts of a timeline illiterate. Both agreed to terms prior to Cosell, the whole reason he had them on, a slam dunk coup for Wilt. ABC and Cosell that Ali and Herbert stunk up.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Pep, Ali went on his collegiate tour where he was paid well to rally the antiVietnam protesters on campus and became something of a darling for that crowd. But he had a growing entourage and ex wives et al to feed, so was soon broke. When he moved to Houston for a couple of years, he bought a classic middleclass home just like the average guy living there.

[JAB5239]

- -Facts of a timeline illiterate. Both agreed to terms prior to Cosell, the whole reason he had them on, a slam dunk coup for Wilt. ABC and Cosell that Ali and Herbert stunk up.

So where was the contract when Ali was calling for it on the Cosell show?

[billeau2]

Someone may need to correct me on this so please do so if I have this confused.

Ali was convicted of draft evasion in June of 1967, his incarceration was delayed pending appeal.

During this period the USA government (federal court) did not, could not order the Several States to deny Ali a license to fight. That was a State by State decision.

All 50 States did in fact shut down on Ali

But once the Vietnam War had finally soured with the American populace, after the failed invasion of Cambodia and the Kent State Massacre (Spring 1970) Georgia was the first State to break with the majority and offer Ali a license to fight in October 1970. That fight against Quarry took place 8 months BEFORE the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June of 1971. So it must have been a Stste decision to offer, or not to offer a State boxing license (which makes sense.)

Once Geirgia announced it would allow Ali to fight the New York Supreme Court suddenly decided to order its State to reinstate Ali's license in New York as well. (I think NY couldn't bare the thought that Georgia might get the big fight with Frazier.) Ali would then fight Bonavena (12/70) and Frazier (03/71) in MSG. Both these fights as well, took place before the US Supreme Court threw out the conviction in June '71.

My point being, now that I finally got here, is that in Spring 1967 it wasn't a slam dunk that Ali wouldn't be able to fight again . . .

1. When Ali refused to step forward there was reasonable cause to believe he would be acquitted of the charge based on his CO claim.

2. That if convicted there still might be some States that would allow him to practice his trade while 'out pending appeal'

Both of course turned out not to be; all 50 States turned on him. At that moment there was too much support for the War and the World War II G.I. pro-war mentality (hawks) ruled the day; but as I stated above that would eventually sour.

I don't know what happened between Cosell - Ali - Wilt - you guys seem to have decided opinions' but I don't believe the pending trial would have blocked the signing of a contract at that moment, there were in Spring 1967 still (in most people's minds) hope that Ali would still be boxing.

P S. I believe but I am not certain that Ali was in Houston TX when he refused to step forward, not NY, but that the NYSAC was the first to react and suspend Ali's license.

Again I'm not sure I got this all correct so please correct me where needed.

DIGRESSION: Funny thing is a man convicted of a felony but out pending appeal is allowed to earn a living. He holds all his citizenship rights. He can work, sit next to you in a restaurant or movie. But Ali got treated differently becuse he was black/a champion/an activist/an icon. IMO

Cossell was one of the few who always stuck by Ali... the rest of the American Press decided they were gonna teach that Uppity Nger a lesson... And I say that with disdain for them,but it was what it was and nothing short of... Ali showed courage andnever wavered and even though Cosell could be exxasperating when hectoring tired fighters after a fight, etc, I will always give him a pass because of how he stood by Ali.

[QueensburyRules]

Cossell was one of the few who always stuck by Ali... the rest of the American Press decided they were gonna teach that Uppity Nger a lesson... And I say that with disdain for them,but it was what it was and nothing short of... Ali showed courage andnever wavered and even though Cosell could be exxasperating when hectoring tired fighters after a fight, etc, I will always give him a pass because of how he stood by Ali.

- -We all knew Cosell as the blowhard he was. It was Nat who stuck by Ali in the boxing industry such that Ali consulted with Nat before giving Ellis his informal approval for his title shot that Ellis won.

But Ali wouldn't risk his own title vs Wilt is engraved in stone now...

[HOUDINI563]

Ring magazine also stood by Ali by keeping him as Worlds Heavyweight Champion right up until he “retired” to make way for the Frazier Ellis bout. Fleischer stood by the long standing principle that a boxing champion can only lose the title in the ring.

The reason a Ali Wilt bout never came off was that Wilt did not know how to fight. The entire idea was a complete sham and Wilt knew it.