What was the third best era for heavyweights?

[Nash out]

Well don't forget about the Foreman comeback and how he won the title again in 1994. whether you like him or not you can't lie it was entertaining watching him make that comeback.

Yes, that was entertaining. I do rate Foreman, especially younger Foreman. I've just checked Foreman's boxrec and he beat Alex Stewart in a fight 94-93 on two cards and 94-94 on one. I have no memory of that fight whatsoever, so I think that one must have gotten away from me. This fight is two years before Moorer.

I just think a lot of people look back at the '90s with rose-tinted glasses, and it's mainly down to the hype that Mike Tyson had around him, I was into it too at the time, the Tyson hype, but he never came close to living up to people's expectations, and we have to make no excuses, Douglas completely outboxed him, and with the exception of being caught once, completely nullified Tyson's attacking weaponry, then knocked him out.

Bowe looked the business for 1 year but looked absolutely dreadful in many fights aside from that. Holyfield teared **** up, faced everyone in entertaining fights win, lose, or draw, he was the 90's! Foreman's win was a special moment.

Lennox Lewis always gets mentioned as making the 90's great, but really, Lewis's best work, and when he went to another level of being rated and proving himself was in 1999 in his two fights vs Holyfield, and furthermore in 2003 vs Vitali, so I wouldn't say Lewis was great in the '90s, but from 1999 onward.

Boxing had much less viewing competition then, it's not like now where everyone has instant access to so many movies and in the era of binge watching TV shows. Not to mention the likes of Youtube, tictok, etc, so maybe more people watched more of the 90's content and felt more part of the scene, and that nostalgia elevates the level in their mind above what it was. I'm a hardcore boxing fan, so I watch all the fights I can regardless, and just judge it for how I see it.

but yeah, that Foreman moment was special and one that was hard to believe you were watching it, those moments are rare and amazing, I had the same feeling when Fury (my fave current fighter, has been since he was a domestic level boxer) got off the floor against Wilder when I had pretty much ticked the loss on his record, then got up and pushed most of the rest of the round on the front foot. When boxing throws you moments like this, no other sport, or film, tv show can compare for the pure drama of it.

[JAB5239]

If you believe what Byrd says, surely you will also believe what Vitali says?

No one can say with absolute surety that he would have knocked him out had he not quit. But I know what I saw with my own eyes, and that was a much closer fight than the scores indicated even though I don't necessarily disagree with them. You can says Vits was injured. I can say Byrd flew to Germany on a week's notice. The bottom line is VK should have sought the rematch and didn't. It may have been different had they not been so closely ranked near one another for so long, but it wasn't. So yes, I choose to see things from Byrd's point of view over Vitaly's. Hell, Wlad gave Byrd a rematch and beat him convincingly the first time. Byrd knew this but still wanted to test himself. Some do, some don't, Vits didn't.

[QueensburyRules]

No one can say with absolute surety that he would have knocked him out had he not quit. But I know what I saw with my own eyes, and that was a much closer fight than the scores indicated even though I don't necessarily disagree with them. You can says Vits was injured. I can say Byrd flew to Germany on a week's notice. The bottom line is VK should have sought the rematch and didn't. It may have been different had they not been so closely ranked near one another for so long, but it wasn't. So yes, I choose to see things from Byrd's point of view over Vitaly's. Hell, Wlad gave Byrd a rematch and beat him convincingly the first time. Byrd knew this but still wanted to test himself. Some do, some don't, Vits didn't.

- -Vitali went into shoulder surgery, so by the time of any rematch, HBO and Merchant had canceled Vitali and Wlad already shut Byrd out. Damned shame a growed man has to explain ABCs and 123s to such an arrested development that U specialize in.

[QueensburyRules]

You must have missed his corrupt decision win against Holyfield, and his arguable wins vs Ruiz and Donald. Value made Carnera look like Benny Leonard. The only reason he was top 5 is because there era was so weak. Thank for helping make that argument.

- -Damn, U been swirling the drain for so long a little Mr. Clean would make that potty spotless.

No, I didn't miss the unlicensed, unranked Field cadaver being paid $75K to be wheeled out in a country with no boxing history or commission by the infinitely corrupted DKing as a prop for his traveling WBA farce. Kinda sad to see growed Americans still crying about their low testosterone levels in boxing. Back in the day American men used to be the manliest of men, and look at U moaning and wringing limp pasty washwoman hands.

Maybe hire Floyd Sr as a moan daddy to mop up U tears and give U a lollipop...

[JAB5239]

- -Vitali went into shoulder surgery, so by the time of any rematch, HBO and Merchant had canceled Vitali and Wlad already shut Byrd out. Damned shame a growed man has to explain ABCs and 123s to such an arrested development that U specialize in.

What does Wlad shutting Byrd out have to do with Vits not rematching him? This goes right back to the argument that it's a weak era because the Klits had to tag team it instead of cleaning up their own unfinished business. Shoulder surgery. 7 months later he was fighting Hoffman. A month later Wlad fought Byrd for the first time. Are you telling me Vittles couldn't have gotten that rematch had he wanted it?

[JAB5239]

- -Damn, U been swirling the drain for so long a little Mr. Clean would make that potty spotless.

No, I didn't miss the unlicensed, unranked Field cadaver being paid $75K to be wheeled out in a country with no boxing history or commission by the infinitely corrupted DKing as a prop for his traveling WBA farce. Kinda sad to see growed Americans still crying about their low testosterone levels in boxing. Back in the day American men used to be the manliest of men, and look at U moaning and wringing limp pasty washwoman hands.

Maybe hire Floyd Sr as a moan daddy to mop up U tears and give U a lollipop...

English please. Everyone knows Holyfield was robbed and Valuev was an average contender and weak titlist. Hell, he should have lost to John Ruiz in their first fight.

[QueensburyRules]

- -As to the storied 90s,

Tops Lewie with 30-1-1, 23 KO, 72% KO% with most title fights. Never defended unified
Big Dummy 39-1, 31 KO, 78% KO% with a spotty never defended unified and lesser title fights of lesser comp.
Field 13-4-1, 6 KO, 33% KO% several unified defenses with best overall comp.
Tyson 9-3, 7 KO, 58% KO% split up the 90s with 5 years in prison if not in criminal court never gained any real traction because of intractable personal issues and heavy experimental sedative use needed to keep him further damaging himself and others any further than had already happened.

Then we had Big George whose popularity shot off the charts, knockin' young studs around like bowling pins when not sending them fleeing for their lives or hanging on for dear life like Field in the championship rounds, the wild card in any discussion of the 90s.

[billeau2]

- -As to the storied 90s,

Tops Lewie with 30-1-1, 23 KO, 72% KO% with most title fights. Never defended unified
Big Dummy 39-1, 31 KO, 78% KO% with a spotty never defended unified and lesser title fights of lesser comp.
Field 13-4-1, 6 KO, 33% KO% several unified defenses with best overall comp.
Tyson 9-3, 7 KO, 58% KO% split up the 90s with 5 years in prison if not in criminal court never gained any real traction because of intractable personal issues and heavy experimental sedative use needed to keep him further damaging himself and others any further than had already happened.

Then we had Big George whose popularity shot off the charts, knockin' young studs around like bowling pins when not sending them fleeing for their lives or hanging on for dear life like Field in the championship rounds, the wild card in any discussion of the 90s.

You live in your own world... it is called crazytown.

[JAB5239]

You live in your own world... it is called crazytown.

He really does. I love how he calls Zoloft experimental sedative use. And didn't Tyson serve just under 3 years?

[billeau2]

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He really does. I love how he calls Zoloft experimental sedative use. And didn't Tyson serve just under 3 years?