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  • #41
    Well the eye test doesn't work that we'll in boxing because there is a massive attribute that is overlooked all too often, and that is the psychological aspect. Truly great fighters believe in themselves and are ruthless competitors. To simplify it, the word would be effort - they simply try harder and everyone else around it can feel it, and backs down to them knowing they can't match it.

    This is outside of "skills" and physical attributes, which tell only half of the story, but may also be the building block of a fighters confidence, so they go hand in hand.

    The greatest decade for heavyweights was the 70s, because you had ruthless competitors all with massive egos who thought they were the best. Any other era they would have been the best.

    The 90s had a large roster of physical talents, but they didn't all match up in their primes. Holyfield and Bowe ****** it out in a great fight, Lewis came along later - but in my honest opinion would have lost to Holyfield prime for prime, who had a lot of milage already. The 90s was also an era with better camera footage, which added to the effect since all the other eras were "from the stands" and watched from a distance, you only got to see the obvious stuff, not the subtle stuff.

    Since boxing, especially heavyweights, seems to have gradually declined, the 90s were the best era where you could actually see everything that was going on.

    That being said, the heavyweight division has always been full of excitement but limited in talent. As others have said, Liston was a great fighter, but his competition in his prime was average. The same went for Rocky, who was fighting good light heavies that moved up, Tyson who cleaned up a lot of heartless fighters that were intimidated, and Holmes a great fighter with no real competition. Poor Holmes had to make his own competition with Cooney, I really think he wanted to be great though.

    Today's era is also exciting but lacking in talent, any thoroughbred boxing fan knows the Fury, Joshua, Wilder lineup is pretty weak, but it's exciting and good for boxing. They are all equally bad in their own aspects, but carry different styles and personalities.

    As for the 3rd best era, my pick would be the 60s. You still had Liston in some decent shape, a young Ali and a slew of decent but not great contenders like Zora Folley, Doug Jones and Cooper. I guess you could throw Big cat in there as a gate keeper for someone with a glass jaw.

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    • #42
      - -Holmes was 0-6, 0 KOs against standing champs having won their titles in the Ring. Norton held a WBC administrative upgrade never won his Ali title challenge though most fans thought he did.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post


        Lmao!!!! Are you serious? Seriously? Tony Thompson? I respect Thompson, but he wasn't fighting a murderers row before losing to Wlad the first time, nor the second time. The era was flat out horrible. One of Vits biggest wins was Corrie Sanders who's only top 10 win was against Wlad. One of Eladd biggest wins was against Byrd, who beat Vits, and who VK never rematched as promised. It's was the era of low skilled fly by night contenders.

        "Tony Thompson beats most heavyweight champs in History"........ CLASSIC!!!!
        - -Tony one of the few to run Wlad through all his gears, "twice," and twice whooped the Brit future great who's future trans promoter needlessly sacrificed him to Thompson "twice" and then the heralded Cuban Gold Medalist Odlanier Solis, "twice."

        That's six fights alone in Germany, UK, and Turkey against foreign promoter money fighters. Maybe U better suited to the Grannys' Knitting Club where U jab each other with Knitting needles under the table while gossiping.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

          - -Tony one of the few to run Wlad through all his gears, "twice," and twice whooped the Brit future great who's future trans promoter needlessly sacrificed him to Thompson "twice" and then the heralded Cuban Gold Medalist Odlanier Solis, "twice."

          That's six fights alone in Germany, UK, and Turkey against foreign promoter money fighters. Maybe U better suited to the Grannys' Knitting Club where U jab each other with Knitting needles under the table while gossiping.
          Your meds.... adjust them pinky! Just look at what fighters did in the ring pinky would ya? The Klits fought horrid competition... a bunch of european fighters who fought in that coveted amateur style... jab jab, rinse repeat...jab jab, rinse repeat... Historically in the late 1800's British trainers were complaining of the limited amatuer approach which put the power hand behind the lead... In any weak era fighters did less things well, and did less things in the ring, generally speaking. The klit era stood out as being an era where fighters showed little skills in the ring. Some exceptions like Chris Byrd...who made the Russian quit on his stool...

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          • #45
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - -Tony one of the few to run Wlad through all his gears, "twice," and twice whooped the Brit future great who's future trans promoter needlessly sacrificed him to Thompson "twice" and then the heralded Cuban Gold Medalist Odlanier Solis, "twice."

            That's six fights alone in Germany, UK, and Turkey against foreign promoter money fighters. Maybe U better suited to the Grannys' Knitting Club where U jab each other with Knitting needles under the table while gossiping.
            Who was the future Brit great? Please don't tell me you're talking about Price. And the lightly looked upon Solid never bothered to get in shape during his career, didn't live up to his potential and never beat an elite fighter. Not that there were any outside the Klits to choose from I. That era. So you can take a walk with your weak argument trying to claim this era any good at all let along the third best. Quit hitting the bottle so hard. You're a joke around here.

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            • #46
              - -Americans went poof with the start of the 00s and pretty well pooted away a magnificent heavyweight century of dominance. Last relic of that era, DKing's fatboy Lovejoy he was grooming for his new favorite "WBA" fightboy Trevor Bryan got stolen by Manuel Charr and KOed in a farce of a fight. Like King, American schtick has gotten terribly old and outdated with no hope on the horizon and the East Euros and Mexicans take over the mantle of greatness.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                - -Americans went poof with the start of the 00s and pretty well pooted away a magnificent heavyweight century of dominance. Last relic of that era, DKing's fatboy Lovejoy he was grooming for his new favorite "WBA" fightboy Trevor Bryan got stolen by Manuel Charr and KOed in a farce of a fight. Like King, American schtick has gotten terribly old and outdated with no hope on the horizon and the East Euros and Mexicans take over the mantle of greatness.
                ................

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                  Who was the future Brit great? Please don't tell me you're talking about Price. And the lightly looked upon Solid never bothered to get in shape during his career, didn't live up to his potential and never beat an elite fighter. Not that there were any outside the Klits to choose from I. That era. So you can take a walk with your weak argument trying to claim this era any good at all let along the third best. Quit hitting the bottle so hard. You're a joke around here.
                  Audley Harrison!

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                  • #49
                    - -Sir Audley's pressure prefight responsible for the near suicide of Pinky Toe Haye days before the fight. PT was in a safety designed Mercedes, so the attempt failed and he was forced to man up against Sir Audley, so scared he scarcely threw a punch the first few rounds. Good Brit comedy show that fight...

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                      - -Sir Audley's pressure prefight responsible for the near suicide of Pinky Toe Haye days before the fight. PT was in a safety designed Mercedes, so the attempt failed and he was forced to man up against Sir Audley, so scared he scarcely threw a punch the first few rounds. Good Brit comedy show that fight...
                      So to your trained eye... a generation of fighters that cannot go to the body, have virtually no head movement, no footwork, are the epigee, pinnacle of success? Lewis was a great fighter, he fought tough guys like Shannon Briggs, Golota, Morrison, Ruddock, who did the Klitchkos fight on that level?

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