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  • travestyny
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    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
    Here's an anecdote that says NO to the OP's question.

    In 1921, eleven years after the Johnson - Jeffries fight and all its subsquent violence Tex Rickard was able to get the Dempsey - Carpentier fight film into Chicago pass the federal proibiton.

    But by then audiences were expecting to see a double feature for their 25 cent admission (not to mention the fight was only fours rounds long).

    So, Rickard who still owned the film rights to Johnson - Jeffries, and had a copy already in Chicago, used Johnson - Jeffries as the opening feature.

    Only one newspaper seemed to note the significance of the presentation and stated that the film was pretty much ignored, as throughout its presentation the crowd kept chattering about Dempsey and the coming film.

    Seems to me if Rickard was willing to show the infamous 1910 film in '21 ( and no one cared or barely noticed) I am hard pressed to buy that he was worrying about riots with a Wills fight.
    Good stuff, bro. That's even more enlightening than what I found. I knew he wanted the fight film played circa 1910...no idea he was still putting it on in '21. Rickard only cared about his money, I'm sure. We shouldn't be surprised.

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  • Willie Pep 229
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    Here's an anecdote that says NO to the OP's question.

    In 1921, eleven years after the Johnson - Jeffries fight and all its subsquent violence Tex Rickard was able to get the Dempsey - Carpentier fight film into Chicago pass the federal proibiton.

    But by then audiences were expecting to see a double feature for their 25 cent admission (not to mention the fight was only fours rounds long).

    So, Rickard who still owned the film rights to Johnson - Jeffries, and had a copy already in Chicago, used Johnson - Jeffries as the opening feature.

    Only one newspaper seemed to note the significance of the presentation and stated that the film was pretty much ignored, as throughout its presentation the crowd kept chattering about Dempsey and the coming film.

    Seems to me if Rickard was willing to show the infamous 1910 film in '21 ( and no one cared or barely noticed) I am hard pressed to buy that he was worrying about riots with a Wills fight.

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  • HOUDINI563
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    That hook that produced the knockdown caused Ali’s jaw to swell like a balloon. He was certainly hurt by that punch. It was a clean knockdown where Ali was caught “hooking with a hooker” twice consecutively. The first he got away with. The second he did not.

    Frazier was an attrition puncher and predominantly a left hooker by far and away. Had Joe had a right hand to compliment that hook Ali would not have gotten through round 11.

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  • QueensburyRules
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    - -Tex actually had tickets printed up for Sept 6, 1924 Wills vs Dempsey in Jersey City, yet another failed attempt to make a fight the politics of America unwilling to make at the time.

    Not the fighter's fault!

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  • billeau2
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    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

    Yea I know - partly because your post had nothing to do with the thread and partly because the fight didn't actually live up to anticipation, and notice I didn't say hype, the fight didnt need to be hyped. It was the most anticipated fight of its generation - but in my opinion it didnt live up to expectations ( of course I realize that would be close to impossible) with the only true drama coming when an exhausted Ali pulled himself off the floor in the 15th (and as I said earlier an exciting 11th) otherwise it just wasn't that intense of a fight. To much holding and Frazier's punches didnt seem that effective and Ali made it pretty clear from the get go he wouldn't push for a KO and would be content with a decision.
    No fight as anticipated as this one could live up to the hype. Queenie actually makes a good point, the historical value should be sufficient. Even fights that are somewhat historical, like the David and Goliath spectacle of Braddock versus Bauer, are a gift when they actually are a good scrap. it seldom matters and always there is someone to deconstruct these fights... Its not that Braddock magically had to use his left arm and developed some finesse... rather it is that Bauer didn't train hard.

    Boxing fans are fickle. The best world series contest I ever watched was (I believe it was 1975) between the Red Sox and the Cincinnati Reds. Two of the best teams, the Reds were a little better and it showed by them winning a close last game in the series. Yet, seldom do we hear about the quality of play in a world series when we talk about winners, losers, best teams, etc... The fact that Ali and Frazier were somewhat equally matched... and both men were incredible fighters, is just not a relevant issue.

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  • QueensburyRules
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    - -You in a rarefied minority Pep. The People hyped up the fight that may have created the neferious ticket reselling industry of today with the press in a literal orgasm over it. I mentioned because the fight easily in the top 10 historical fights in history looking at all the angles. This is the history section and I saw nothin on BS about the fight and the new format don't allow me new topics or quotes save rarely. That fine, no interest in the fight any more, but we got Rocky in a 'rasslin' farce and Weensie still posting meaningless ABCs and 123s endlessly and so on. As a strict fight basis, I'd rate Pryor/Arguello 1 higher in intensity and strategy for example, but that fight lacks the full measure of historic value. Like the Louis/Schmeling rematch, the international scale of The People's interest was unprecedented even if the fight was a dud in a consensus of what a good fight should be.

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  • Willie Pep 229
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    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - -You're the first guy on all my years to disparage The fight of the century. Wasn't it Ring fight of the year? Both guys prime and motivated. The 2 nd and third fights were lessor fighters though the third had unexpected Rocky clubfighter drama, ruined for me when Eddie pulled the plug on Frazier before the 15th while Ali screaming for Dundee to cut his gloves off aka Liston 1.
    Yea I know - partly because your post had nothing to do with the thread and partly because the fight didn't actually live up to anticipation, and notice I didn't say hype, the fight didnt need to be hyped. It was the most anticipated fight of its generation - but in my opinion it didnt live up to expectations ( of course I realize that would be close to impossible) with the only true drama coming when an exhausted Ali pulled himself off the floor in the 15th (and as I said earlier an exciting 11th) otherwise it just wasn't that intense of a fight. To much holding and Frazier's punches didnt seem that effective and Ali made it pretty clear from the get go he wouldn't push for a KO and would be content with a decision.

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  • QueensburyRules
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    - -You're the first guy on all my years to disparage The fight of the century. Wasn't it Ring fight of the year? Both guys prime and motivated. The 2 nd and third fights were lessor fighters though the third had unexpected Rocky clubfighter drama, ruined for me when Eddie pulled the plug on Frazier before the 15th while Ali screaming for Dundee to cut his gloves off aka Liston 1.

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  • Anthony342
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    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

    I don't think you know what a flash knockdown is.
    I know. It's when your girl agrees to flash the opponent, distracting him long enough for you to knock him down. Flash knockdown. Like in that episode of Quantum Leap.

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  • Willie Pep 229
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    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

    You don't think that Frazier left hook hurt Ali?
    Na, exhaustion; he takes that punch earlier he doesn't go down.

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