How does gerald mccellan do against the monzon who turned up in the valdes rematch?

[TheGreatA]

See this ladies and gentleman? This is how you discredit a fighter.Apparently while McClellan did knock Jackson out it simply doesn't matter because Jackson had a shaky chin.Yes but while we are at it,Let's take away Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler's victories over Thomas Hearns away from them because after all Hearns did have a "shaky chin"

And the fact that theGreatA agree's with him pretty much confirms what I already said about him

Unfortunately the dynamite kid can't respond to me because he put me on ignore like a coward

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.

[TheGreatA]

It's difficult to have a reasonable deate with theGreatA,If a fighter fought after 1987 then all credentials and reseme's simply don't matter,Each one is discredited and unfairly picked apart,Like I said before,The guy definately knows boxing but the history he knows he twists to fit his own argument and that is the very worst type of boxing fan

And may I ask why you qouted me GreatA? you didn't actually respond to me

You're completely wrong in everything you said and it's quite hypocritical of you to accuse me of picking apart a fighter's resume (when I haven't) because you do it all the time. I attempt to discuss boxing with respect to other posters and the fighters themselves, and back up my arguments with facts, not unfounded opinion.

You are the worst kind of boxing fan. At the very least I know enough never to repeatedly insult a fighter who courageously fought in the boxing ring and whom I never met unlike you (and Slimey Limey) do on a regular basis.

[Dynamite Kid]

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.

Yep.

Its just commonsense.

[GJC]

Monzon was past his best but was still durable and had never been stopped.
McClellan could hit but there has to be question marks over his stamina.
So if it goes past 5 you have to fancy Monzon and good a puncher as McClellan was, I would fancy Monzon to be there at the end, he always was.

[princemanspoper]

Usually when talking about one's punching power you're supposed to bring up examples of durable fighters that he knocked out.

McClellan's big knockout wins come over Julian Jackson and John Mugabi who were hardly the sturdiest fighters out there.

I'm bringing up McClellan's victory over Julian Jackson when talking about how good his chin was but not when we're supposed to discuss whether McClellan could knock out Carlos Monzon in the early rounds or not. Lets face it, that's his only chance in this match-up.

My response was to the dynamite kid who asked "what top caliber opposition had McClellan knocked out?" He then preceeded to answer his own question when he brought up Julian Jackson in the very next sentence but immediately discredited this win by criticising Jackson's chin as if the win was somehow less significent.

My argument has nothing to do with Monzon here.I'm calling a joker out on a contradiction he made

If I was to discredit Haglers knockout win over Hearns claiming that Hearns has a glass jaw then I would get rightly criticised yet when this joker does it apparently it's ok

As for defining knockout power there is no simple definition,There are mediocre fighters with great chins and there are great fighters wiith mediocre chins

You should know this.And do not pretend as if you don't discredit fighters because you have done as have many of you have done,You don't realise you are doing so but you are

[Kid McCoy]

For me gerald is a bigger puncher and over all better fighter than valdes look how close valdes came to beating monnzon, couldnt gearld beat that monzon?

How close did Valdez really come to beating Monzon? For me, not very. Okay he got the knockdown and had him momentarily hurt, but Monzon was up at 3 and barely troubled by Valdez after that. I thought he won both fairly handily.

As to the question, could McClellan KO an aged Monzon? Yes. Would he, never say never, but I would favour Monzon, who has the chin, the smarts, the skills and experience to survive the early onslaught and win a decision. McClellan had a chin like a brick and lesser fighters than him went the distance with Monzon, so I don't think he'd get KO'd. Monzon UD.

[mickey malone]

Jackson was past prime & Mugabe was shot to pieces by the time they faced McClellan.. Monzon had an exceptional chin backed up by a sound defense, with 15 round stamina to.. If McClellan couldn't KO him in the first 6, which is what I'd suspect, then no way is he going to win the fight..
I've also read on this forum that McClellan was carrying a blood clot on the brain sustained fighting Jackson, going into the Benn fight.. If there is evidence to substanciate that, then the pre fight medicals leave an awful lot to be desired..